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IF the post office would quit advertising on TV, think of how many millions of dollars they could save. They even advertised during the Super Bowl !!
I think you've failed to grasp the concept of advertising, completely. There is a reason companies pay money for commercials. They work.
You advertise to be competitive....but you have to have a business that is structured to be competitive or advertising is a waste of resources. The USPS needs to restructure and become efficient and dependable again or all the advertising in the world wont help it..
I disagree. I think a fair amount of businesses with a worthless product, stay afloat because of advertising.
Apparently YOU are NOT a business. You HAVE to advertise to stay in, and grow any business! Would you rather they just "sat on a corner" waiting for you to come in so they could tell you about a new product or service??? Come on ... save your remarks for things you KNOW something about!
You absolutely must advertise your services to remain competitive. If anything, the post office started much too late in advertising.
The post office will eventually succeed because they truly are the BETTER BARGAIN. They have been hampered by the fact that they must seek permission to change various aspects of its business. Now the state of the economy in general is forcing those changes which should have been started years ago. Many of the old dinosaur executives are history as well. A package cannot be sent online like an email, and that is where the post office should focus their efforts, regaining package industry.
I remember the breakup of Ma Bell when we were not ripped off for phone services.
I remember the smaller cable companies before the giant monolith called Comcast.
Be careful what you wish for.
Face it. There a alot of these little offices that can and should be closed. It is silly to keep throwing the money out there when they are not needed. We need to quit crying over silly things.
Just what we need right now is another 100,000 jobs lost!
Job losses in the Government sector are killing the US economy!
The USPS serves an important purpose in our society it is worth spending some money on. Especially when we need to keep Americans employed!
The postal service has not been government owned since the 1970s the only break that they receive is from federal taxes and this is because the postal service provides free mailings for the blind, our soldiers letters and post cards when they are abroad andmail-in ballots for U.S citizens that are overseas. The postal service does not receive any tax-dollars and pays its operating cost by selling stamps, postal products and servicing the people. If you were to go to FED-EX ,UPS or USPS and mail the same package most of the time USPS is much more economical. I believe it is great that they are letting people know there is a better more economical way of sending and receiving items. I know I still rather get a card in the mail than be on someones automated e-card list.
JUNK MAIL should be outlawed or they should pay the same rate as the private sector (that would raise billions). Right now it's a waste of paper, the environment & manpower. No delivery on Saturdays would save billions.
There may be post offices that should be closed but lets be honest about the Village Post Office concept. Most of the towns listed under Illinois are small towns that don't really have any other businesses in them so there isn't another business to stand in for the post office. Businesses come and go in most near urban rural areas (rural but fairly close to larger urban areas) so you will likely not have any local postal service at all. This is fine for some people but for a lot of others it will be a major problem.
The Post Office also could save money by stopping Saturday deliveries.
I would recommend stopping one day during the week rather than saturday. That way you wont have to go longer than two days without mail. If deliveries were stopped on satruday, then you'd go for 3 days straight without getting mail. Might be a hardship for someone who expecting something like a pension check.
IMO Get rid of the wednesday deliveries and keep the saturdays.
Oh, and raise the rates for the huge advertising circulars that stuff my mailbox a couple of times a week. That would help too.
No! I depend on Saturday deliveries. I get paid on Fridays and need Saturday to get those bills out. I don't like paying online and alot of businesses charge a fee to do online payments and even $3 can hurt. I pay enough as it is on utilities without the extra charge.
Ms: Send out your bills on Friday instead. The checks aren't going to clear before that next Monday at the earliest.
Apparently, many who are pushing for online transactions are not aware of these payment fees. And like many things that used to be free, these online-payment fees will probably continuously and incrementally increase. Why? Sometimes, just at someone's whim.
UPS & FEDEX OWNERS pay PENSIONS, HEALTH BENEFITS, SALARIES etc.
WE the TAXPAYERS pay for the USPS PENSIONS, HEALTH BENEFITS, SALARIES etc.
The cost of mail doesn't seem like such a great deal anymore does it!?
Taxpayers do not fund the Post Office. Not one dime. It is a self funding govt agency. The only one!
The USPS is a TAX SUPPORTED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY..
therefore, my comment stands.
put that in your pipe and smoke it!
You have no idea what you are talking about. The USPS is not supported by tax dollars. It is funded by sales of products and services. I think you are the one who has been smoking a pipe.
Robin, the USPS has been loosing money since it's inception. They are losing billions of dollars (3.5 billion in the third quarter of 2011 alone). Who do you think is going to make up for the shortfall to keep them in business? Who do think HAS been making up for the shortfalls since it came into existence? IT'S US!
So, yes, it IS supported with tax dollars.
I had to add my comment to this one. The Postal Service receives a gov't stipend for providing free matter for the blind and for free postage to our soldiers at war. On paper the Postal Service is losing money, because of the fact that the USPS has been told they have to pre-fund 30 years of health benefits (which no employer in the US has to do), and have also paid more into their retirement plans than is necessary. In reality, without these gov't requirements the Postal Service has and is adopting to the changing times, and still provides the best service for delivery of your important documents at a more than reasonable price.
Your letter carrier makes a decent living, in some communities he/she makes a great living, but in other areas she/he may have to have a second job just to support one child depending on the cost of living in that community.
The Postal Service is continuously voted the most trusted government agency. Not because every person in the Postal Service is a Saint, but because the majority of the workers really do care, and they do not forget that the S in USPS stands for Service.
I am a little biased, because I am a mailman. I do not just deliver the mail. I look out for lost pets, grandparents whose children or grandchildren wouldn't know that anything was wrong for days or weeks because we don't have the time to talk or see them anymore, for children who got locked out of their house while their parents are at work, etc. My job is a letter carrier, but more importantly, I am a public servant that will do anything I can to help the people I serve.
Instead of wasting time blaming email that has been around for over 2 decades now, they could encourage shipping by lowering the shipping costs and capitalizing on the love of odering online. They have done everything in thier power to discourage people from shipping and sending mail.
How is blaming email a waste of time? I literally haven't mailed a hand written letter in over 10 years. My X-mas cards last year were E-cards. I can absolutely see why the post office cannot compete as it is. 2 weeks ago, I ordered a large teddy bear from Amazon, had it sent to me in California, then mailed it to a friend in England. UPS wanted over $200 to mail the box. Post Office charged me $56.
So while you might actually believe the crap you posted, the reality is that the USPS is trying. Support, rather than bitch.
Much of the reason people send ecards now instead of real mail is because of the cost. There is economy problems and people with no jobs. Instead of sending a gift they will decide against it more often. Instead of odering online and paying high shipping cost they will got to the store. Your one example comes from only a recent experience. They have you fooled into thinking you got a deal. If you had been shipping many items over many years you would see how much it has changed.
Blaming never really helps what is already done! The need action to get business back.
I have to agree with Ro, thier constant price hikes have destroyed my online business and chased away customers. Especially shipping to outside of the US.
Chris, now you know why they are in trouble. They didn't charge you enough. You can't continue to buy business by being the cheap guy. Eventually you have to look at your costs and price your service to the consumer accordingly.
Quanity at a fair price will bring in more $$ than fewer at a rather high price.
Did you know they make and send out free priority boxes. How much is that costing them?
Chris, now you know why they are in trouble. They didn't charge you enough. You can't continue to buy business by being the cheap guy. Eventually you have to look at your costs and price your service to the consumer accordingly.
I agree, but society won't allow it. The USPS has always been thought more of as government provided service than something that should make money. So they do things a regular for-profit business couldn't afford. Few months back an example was given on how some people in Alaska way out in the woods get mail delivered to them by postman who rides a snow mobile 2 hours just for them and they don't charge for it. Obviously that's not something that's gonna help them save money. But the other option to not deliver mail to them at all, seeing as it's not likely someone is going to pay the cost of gas and labor, simply for junk mail.
Do some of you think with the rising costs of everything, especially fuel costs, that the post office can keep their rates the same and not raise them? Fact is, it is less expensive to mail items from the post office, especially if it is not an emergency to get it there. Most people don't plan ahead these days and everything has to be rushed to a location. And are some of you really sending christmas cards only through email? Doesn't seem to be very meaningful and not the way I want to receive a Christmas card! Suck up the $8 you would pay for stamps and actually sign a card!
Glad you like signing your cards and sending them thru snail mail, Lynn. I actually make my e-cards myself, with cute little animations and music and such, and the people who get them absolutely love them. So please don't try to tell us to suck it up and do it your way cause that's the best and only way it should be done. I guarantee I spend more time on my cards than you do.
Chris, are you able to put your e-cards on a table or shelf -- WITHOUT using a specially-made gizmo to "hold" the cards? I can, because I make, use and send real, physical cards.
No batteries required.
I love getting cards in the mail. I love getting mail (minus bills and junk) and seeing a Christmas or birthday card delivered can brighten my day. Plus I'd rather get information from vacation spots in the mail because they usually have more details and pictures on them than online and I can sit and read them anywhere and show them to someone when there isn't a computer around.
MsGAPeach, I agree with you. I realize that a lot of stuff can be done online and I do use my computer a lot, but there are also things that I would like to get through the mail.
As for the package that Chris was mailing overseas where UPS wanted $200 to mail it and the post office wanted only $56. You have to remember that UPS is a FOR PROFIT business whereas the post office is a service-oriented government agency.
Yes, email has been around for two decades. Before that, the post office needed to raise rates to meet the costs of how much mail went through the system. Now, they keep saying they need to raise rates due to the decline in how much mail now goes through their system. Part of the USPS strategy is to get people (collectors) to buy stamps that the customer has no intention of using, but hopes to one day sell to someone else who also has no intention of using it! Meanwhile, as newer homes go up, they are built, not with mailboxes, but with neighborhood mail stations where one stop covers 20 homes. I suppose that somehow balances the mail carrier who has to snowmobile 2 hours to deliver someone's mail in Alaska.
QuackedOne: While you might not be able to put an e-card on a table or shelf, you can share it with your family or friends in various locations in a matter of minutes.
I admit I enjoy sitting on the toilet with the newest TigerDirect catalog, I get my bills both online and in the mail. But even my 78 year old grandmother has a computer I've taught her to use and absolutely loves the singing cards. For her it's something new, after getting paper cards from dozens of people for many more years than I've been alive, she looks forward to my singing snowmen on a background from Thomas Kinkade, and such.
As for your vacation catalogs having more information in them than online, that simply isn't true. You can't get feedback from people in the catalog, just what the travel people want you to know. Many many things online that you can use to find out information on your destination. Local online papers, user reviews etc etc.
Here's MY question: What the heck is an "e-card". What store do you buy it at?
It's been a bankrupt system since the 70s and if it were not for grocery store flyers every week it would have gone under long ago. Let it go the the private sector and be done with it.
The postal service has been the best large service otganization in America, in my opinion. Many years ago I was in the direct mail business and I have always found them to give outstanding service for the price. America is moving more and more away from service to usury.
Some bills still have to be paid by mail. Let that service go to the private sector and then sit back and see what they charge you! You'll be whining to get the post office back and it will be too late.
If its important, and most bills are, send it by fedex or it may not get there at all if entrusted to USPS. Then compare the costs. The little extra for fedex is nothing compared to cost of late bills and lost checks. Thats why I quit the USPS to begin with. Obtained a fedex account on line, print my own shipping documents and they provide free packaging so I prepare all outgoing mail right at my desk and they even come inside and pick it up and track it.
The little extra I pay is nothing compared to an irate customer who did not get his package or a lost payment to me, or even having to go to the post office and wait in line. Lost time is lost money.
Azrancher, I ain't spendin' $10 just to mail one envelope what weighs less'n 10 ounces. But you go ahead and keep on spendin' all that money for FedEx and such if'n you really want to.
Exactly, the private sector can not do mail better. Just like the private sector would never be able to do better in mass transportation, police services, or any thing that can not earn substantial profits.
liarsatmsnbc,
You are absolutely correct that only a fool would think that the private sector would do it cheaper. We do have the most reliable and cheapest mail system in te world.
There are some grumpy clerks, but many of them are being weeded out through retirement and other means. They do have to scale back and that is why they will possibly close 3,700 offices across the country as stated in the article. The problem is that they started way too late to make these changes. However, as a government agency, it is not easy to say "we're closing an office next month." I do think they are on the right track now though.
In the past, and even today, people still run to their congressman whenever there is a threat to close their post office. So, the post office is "damned if they do and damned if they don't so to speak.
I utilize email like everyone else, but when I have a really important document or money I still trust the post office above all others!
They need to close far more than 12% of their locations, and drop mail delivery to no more than Monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Good thing you dont shop online, receive medications, and have internet, cell phone etc. to do ALL your communication and bill paying and are closer than 45 minutes to a commercial center... You'd be singing the blues too.
Really, CRB? Goshawmighty, but you must be lonely, not gettin' much mail at all............... How 'bout cuttin' service altogether, thet way ev'rybody kin hafta pay $10 or more jist ta send a Christmas card ta Granma!
Three days a week? Really? Don't think so. My brother works for the post office and he couldn't make a living on that. My Dad is a retired post master. I'm pro-post office. And like the comment above, people need their meds and can't be put off until the next available date.
You go MsGAPeach-3268918. Another fact not often stated is that identity theft has gotten a big lift from online use. No one wants to get it under control. In L.A. county alone it is estimated that 4,000 identity theft cases go unsolved.
Hey MsGAPeach-3268918,
My son works for the post office and his guaranteed work hours is just 35 hours per week @ 6 days a week. Tough to live on that too and look forward to having one day off per week ALWAYS.
I am pro-post office as well. Not saying it's perfect, but they are working hard to turn things around. I really hope the can make inroads into gaining a bigger market share of the package business. I purchased a greeting card in CVS pharmacy which had a postage paid envelope so all I had to do was sign and drop in the mail box. This is a new agreement between the Greeting Card Company and the Post Office. Great idea. They are trying many innovative things.
I just retired from the post office too. There are thousands of us that were devoted to doing a great job and are hoping for the survival of the post office. Everyone is not the one grumpy clerk that some of you run across.
Thank you Jersey Girl, and God bless you and your family for your service to America!
Welcome to the 21st Century People. We don’t need a lot of theses federal industries anymore they already have been replaced.
Good to know that you have a good job and are receiving a decent paycheck, Leatherneck. And as has been pointed out, the USPS is not a "federal industry" -- it is a SERVICE.
The United States Postal Service (also known as USPS, the Post Office or U.S. Mail) is an independent agency of the United States government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
Postal Service in the US
U.S. Industry Report
The United States Postal Service (USPS) is the only operator in the industry, and is a government-owned corporation.
The USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:
(a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.
Under paragraph (d) of Title 39, Section 101.1, "Postal rates shall be established to apportion the costs of all postal operations to all users of the mail on a fair and equitable basis."
liarsatmsnbc: Hmm really "PO is not a federal agency. It is not part of the government." so who needs a clue. HINT it start with a L.
Leatherneck918
Glad you posted that the postal service one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
One of the reasons why it will survive this current downturn.
Leatherneck918
Glad you mentioned : It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
This is one of the reasons the post office will survive this downturn. It will be tough, but they will survive.
Hey Liars, if you had half a brain, you would have noticed that it is YOU who is making confusing sematic differences to try to create an unsubstatiable point. Sorry for using words longer than what the Tea Party is accustomed to. Unfortunately for you, the US Postal Service is far too valuable for the US Government to neglect its constitutional responsibility to operate it for the good of our nation. It will never meet the liberal reform of privatization you wish on it. The American people would never allow it.
more goverenment jobs on the chopping block. Smaller government the answer and get the unions off the job. liberal politics taking a dive. I love it.
My, how iggerent you are.... It were UNIONS that got you your 40-hour work week and paid vacations, and it were "liberal" Gub'mint that got you your anti-lock braking system and Right to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.
USPS is not a federal agency. It is a federally-mandated service, but it is an actual company, and it makes its revenue off the postage rates. But Congress has to approve any changes to the postage rate, and they won't allow them to raise it now. So, there's not a lot that can be done except close offices and reduce service.
Get used to it. This is what Republicans want to do with just about every service. You can say what you want about the ideal size of the government - but it gives a good idea of what to expect for the future.
If unions are the problem, it is probably because they were infested by management.
Seriously get bill pay and do all this stuff online, no reason to need a physical local post office anymore, almost as bad as people who still write paper checks.
not everyone has computers or the ability to get and opperate one. Many of my family members live 40 plus miles from town. They diserve to get there mail and bills. Im online but not everyone can be.
Not everyone has nor wants a computer. Online bill pay is out of the question for many people and nothing is wrong with writing and mailing a paper check.
As I said in my post, I'll write a check and mail it before I pay $15 to pay a bill online like the three companies I still write checks to. As far as someone else mentioning closing 50 percent of the post offices - you didn't attach your study to show that many need to close. I won't say 50 percent is or isn't the figure they should use, because I haven't done a study to see exactly how many they should close.
If you write a check and send it in the mail that is your choice, but I sure do hate it when you are in front of in a store and you insist on writing one. Living in Southern California, I can't even imagine what a post office without a long line must be like.
With all the identity theft because of un-secured on-line transactions (and even "secure" transactions ain't really immune), I'll stick to sending a check in the mail. And at least with the check, I KNOW how much I still have in my account.
Grow up Scottnrg. Patience is something which many learn while still children.
Online bill pay and email options aren't available for a lot of people. And it seems that post offices are closing in the locations where people need a post office the most, like rural communities and poverty stricken communities. If they are going to close locations they should close the locations where the population is likely to have transportation and access to another post office location or a home computer.
Credit cards and debit cards are available to everyone who has a checking account. I am very patient and would never say anything to the person writing a check. Invariably the person has to find their checkbook, look for a pen to fill out the check and then the thing has to be processed. Since I can not or would not say how slow check writing is to the person, I would think newsvine a safe place to say that it can be annoying. It never ceases to amaze me how bothered people can become when anyone has a different opinion from them. This is a forum for discussion, opinion and sharing different points of view. Accepting that without disparaging others comments would go a long way toward demonstrating the grown up behavior that you expect of others.
Our small town office is on the cut but we are fighting back.
Even Fedex and UPS are using the USPS for packages and then they deliver locally!!
Drop Saturday and even Tuesday. OR ONLY deliver on M W F!! I have to drive to my post office One mile. The next one is Two + 1/2 miles away. Not good. BOTH have consistently 10 minute waiting times no matter when I go. Hopefully our local offices will remain open and adequately staffed.
Talk about lazy -- ya cain't walk even one mile! Try havin' ta walk EIGHT (or more) miles to get somewhere like I had ta.
We are going to have to accept that fact that we cannot have a full-service local post office everywhere as is the case now. I have at least 4 large post offices within a 15 minute drive of where I live. Clearly that is not necessary. At least two of them could be closed with very little inconvenience to anyone.
Those are the ones that should be closed before some smaller post office in a rural area that is miles from anywhere else.
I'd guess that we could close 50% of our USPS locations and very few people would ever notice a difference.
Rick in the forest, Keep in mind some of those large office are processing and distribution centers. They're not just there to sell stamps.
I won't go strictly online for my bills, because three companies I owe want $15 every time I pay online. It's cheaper to write them a check and mail it to them. Also, there are some I know that I still write to because they don't have access to a computer for email or messages, etc., and they write back to me. Can't send them a text message, either - they don't have cell phones. If USPS went to $1.00 per letter, I would still mail letters and those three payments. Simply makes economical sense to do so.
Sorry Ken...I don't believe you. I know of no company that charges $15 to pay them on-line. Secondly, my on-line billpay would send a check that they simply deposit as any other check. All at no cost.
Sorry, Beau.... but do you know EVERY company in the world and what their bill pay is like? I have been charged a high fee in some places for paying bills online. It is a very stupid concept- that there would be online fees, but they do exist, and some of them CAN be $15 or more.
Add to the insult of having to pay a fee just for the "ease" of on-line bill pay -- the added risk of some creep stealing your identity because that on-line bill pay ain't nearly as "secure" as they say it is. It's just one reason I DO NOT use on-line bill pay, or have a credit card.
Agree with Beau. My bill pay sends a check. What's the difference if your send a check or the bank sends the check for you? It's still a check.
Sorry Beau and CalifGirl00, All online bill-pay services are not the same just as every bank is not the same. If I mail my mortgage payment it costs 44 cents. If I pay it online directly to the mortgage company who uses Western Union as their processor, I am charged $6.95.
I wish the people that do not care about the demise of the postal service would stop for a moment and think what those online bill-pay services will really cost once there is no post office in existence.
The Postal Service lost 3.8 Billion in 2009, 8.5 Billion in 2010, 2.2 Billion Q1/2011. Obviously it isn't viable and it's time for a change. PRIVATIZE IT! The POstal Union is now advertising that they don't use any tax dollars??? What a lie!
Barry> A lie? From the USPS? Nonsense. They do not depend on taxpayer dollars. They have a unicorn that provides them with fairy dust and US currency. No taxpayer assistance needed by them................
Exxon Mobile and BP both lost billions of dollars in 2009 -- yet they are somehow able to post huge profits and give their CEOs multi-million dollar bonuses at the same time they receive tax dollar bailouts from the government.
What's your point, Barry?
Sorry Barry, but the USPS gets not one dime of taxpayer money. Everything they get is from the postage stamps and such. To top it off, Congress has to approve any request to change the rates, and Congress won't do it this time (despite the fact that we have one of the lowest rates in the world). USPS could be profitable if Congress would let them.
That being said, they are bloated, and they are very inefficient, so they can slim down. But don't go throwing them into the same boat as other government services.
The Postal Service is an independent agency of the Government and has not directly received tax dollars since the early 1980's. Nor is it allowed. The only exception is for the disabled. They have cut 110,000 jobs over the last several years in an attempt to restructure a business the American public has fought against every step of the way. For every CENT gas prices go up they lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a month but yet Congress has yet to give permission to cut back to a 5 day delivery. Gas prices have jumped well over a dollar in the last year but people scream louder when the Postal Service raises the price of a stamp 2 or 3 cents. They are not allowed to operate as an independant business, they need to get permission from congress for nearly every decision, including raising rates, which is not always in the PO's best interest. Some of you people really need to get your facts straight before you attack and make accusations. There are a lot of things the P.O. still needs to do, but it has come a long way over the last couple of years including following the recommendations of an independant group to reduce in size and restructure the whole organization. Some of the things needing to be done would have been done long ago if not for the old fashioned, stodgy members of Congress standing in their way.
Barry666834, They don't. Please educate yourself. They have not used tax dollars since the 70's when they changed from the Post Office Department to the U. S. Postal Service. Their money comes from the revenue they take in. If you put on your thinking cap then you would realize that is why they are in financial straits. Revenue is DOWN since many now use the net.
It is not the ordinary person alone using the net, but businesses that used to mail the bills use the net as well. The irony is that many charge a service fee for you to pay on the net when you used to just mail it at the cost of a stamp.
Well that may be the case, but it just plain WRONG! The US Post Office was directed by our forefatheres to be our national communication system, and our democratic government must be responsible to the public. We don't have enough government services as it is (at least to call our nation a true democracy), let's maintain the ones we still have!
It's the pre-funding of health cost for future retirees from the Post Office that is the real killer.At 5 billion dollars a year, no other company or govt. offices have to do that. The place makes a profit if not for that.They don't use tax money haven't since 1970.This is just a cash cow for the politicians, just like how they have robbed social security all these years.
Don't see how it can be a cash cow for them. Congress can't touch USPS revenues, except that they must approve changes to the rates. Although the pre-funding for insurance has got to be a hit, I think the bigger hits are much lower volume of regular mail (when was the last time you got a personal letter sent to you?), and the recession (and certainly online advertising) has greatly decreased the volume of bulk mail advertising.
bostonfan'67, You are absolutely correct. And your final sentence is right on the money! It is a cash cow of the future. Once they succeed in dismantling and privatizing, look at the corporate lobbying bucks they'll be gettting for what is now a "public service."
I'm curious about all the responses that commented on todays technology, email, no need for post offices...do you all live in cities that actually have internet, and cell reception? If you look at the state lists of closures, you'll notice that in states that have the MOST rural areas..(oh..let's say farms, dairys ..that put food on your table) are places that do NOT have cell phone towers, or satellite television, and in some cases not even cable. Never mind the fact that big for-profit delivery, UPS and FEDEX wont' even deliver to these communities, as most people have Post office boxes...so what do tell those of us in this situation...go s..w ourselves? I believe that closures will help overall, but maybe locations in inner cities, that have access, via technology or mass transit, or good old foot traffic should be higher on the list of closures.
I do agree with you...close more inner-city and suburban offices, and leave the rural ones open.
Bewildered, you are totally right. I was reading these comments and wondering, "where do these people all live?" Everyone is responding from their own perspectives and I get that but saying absolutes about something that affects so many people who all have a difference perspective isn't going to solve anything. Obviously, changes need to be made. Some are also questioning the "little" savings of removing Saturday delivery. Remember that the mail still has to be sorted, it just wouldn't be delivered so it's really only the mail carriers that won't be required. I also totally agree with maybe going to a reduced schedule and M, W, F seems reasonable. After a time, we would all adjust ....
bewildered> Totally agree. I noted above that I have four "full-service" USPS locations within a 15 minute drive of my home. I did not find a single one of them on the list. Not one.
California's urban and suburban areas have way to many post office locations. This idea of the Village Post Office (i.e. outsourcing) is a good idea as is closing a very large number of urban and suburban locations.
Great comments regarding the rural areas. They must surely be addressed. However, keep in mind that the large offices do not just sell stamps. They are processing, sorting and distribution centers. They are consolidating some of those as well. They closed 7 large districts in March of this year.
The Village Post Office concept is a great idea and I see the possibilities for entrepreneurs in that area.
Yes, I rely on it but because of thier continous price hikes I am finding other ways to make money. As I am sure others are doing.
Overall the current Postal System is a dinosaur and a black hole for federal money and our increased taxes. We as a country need to be looking at a more modernized Postal Service through more electronic means. It is possible and does work well, as can be seen in several European countries. Routing all mail through electronic mailboxes and allowing the customer to select (at a cost) which are printed/delivered and which to discard (junk mail, etc.) This is a much more convenient and cost effective model as well as a much more eco-friendly model in the tonnage of paper products saved.
As for those who are complaining that there are people who do not have a computer or access, this is hog wash. If they can have a TV in their home they can get a very inexpensive computer as well, just for this type of system. It is progress, the future and where we need to continue to move as a global competitor in this economic state. There are also many public computer access points, such as local libraries (though these are on the way out as well). Heck, my 94 year old grandmother can use e-mail, it’s not rocket science.
Public computer access have costs except for the libraries. But the lines at the libraries in L.A. can be several hours long.
When the post office is gone, only then will people miss it. When it costs you $10.00 to send a christmas card via another service, you will miss it. When it costs $200.00 to mail a small package, you will miss it. All the post office has to do is raise rates to a decent level and their problems are solved. i would rather pay $1.00 to mail a letter or card than the alternative when the post office is finally destroyed by private companies concerned only with profits. The post office already delivers millions of packages the last mile for UPS and FedEx because it is not profitable for them to deliver them. Think of what it will be when the post office is gone. The post office is regulated by the government but receives no tax dollars. I think we should have more systems like the post office set up so they can't make a profit. Then we could have cheaper cars, electricity, gas etc.
their prices are NOT competitive. And who sends paper cards anymore, except blue haired old ladies and dinosaurs.
I'm not anywhere near being a blue haired old lady and I send paper cards all the time. Learn some manners and stop relying on email, people like getting cards in the mail. And their prices are very competitive.
I still write letters and cards and I am, at 35, neither a blue hair nor a dinosaur. I have also taught my children the art of a hand-written thank-you note. Anyone who sends any of my children a birthday, Christmas, graduation (you the idea) gift gets a thank-you note. I started this before they could write themselves and they do it on their own now. Everyone I have talked to loves getting them. And with my parents living across the country and me having the only grandchildren, my children and my parents like to write notes and send packages to each other. Now I don't live in a rural area but I don't live in a large city either and I couldn't live without my USPS. Because our town is small I get mail every day but the gentleman who delivers packages (our carrier walks his route) only goes out two or three days a week in his truck to deliver the packages that are too large for the carriers to manage. We aren't on the list yet and I hope we never are.
d.trump,
Your comments are thoughtless and insulting. You may think that your comments are clever but they show your total immaturity and stupidity.
Funny how the world is changing. We don't talk, we text. We don't touch, we use a webcam. We don't jump when someone's beaten and don't cry if they are killed. Technology has replaced compassion. So who cares how many close? There will just be less people spending money and a lot more business' closing. It could be yours next.
I agree that people have lost compassion. What do most people do when they see someone who has fallen, been hit by a car etc.? They take out their "smart" phone not to call for help, but so they can be the first to post a photo/video of what happened. As to the closings, they have targeted many small towns in rural areas for closure. Many of these folks are 90 miles away from another town of any size. So, yeah, I'm concerned about which ones they close.
As the saying goes, "you never miss your water till the well runs dry."
I'm all for advancements, but not all change is for the best. We have too many that don't care because it does not affect them personally.
Really, THAT is the most concise pronouncement on this issue I have read. Thank you for posting the truth!
why is the USPS allowed to deliver paper "spam" to my mailbox? And yet when an item is addressed to someone in my household, several times a year, 'RETURN TO SENDER" Stupid and lazy mistakes at my local post office would make me happy to see them close up completely.
Some of the stupid and lazy mistakes I have seen resulted from online transactions. I would like to see those closed up completely.
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The closure was long overdue. Congress kept shoring it up with more tax dollars and increased fees for too many years. Let it be!