If I ever have to be a farmer, i'll be a grower of hops.

Used to be grown in Southern Oregon in such quantity that they had their own railroad branch line. Then someone got the good idea of Prohibition. The Hops industry forged on under other usage, but the Tokay grape vinyards were wiped out. Only in the past two decades has this area recovered its Viniculture standing on the world scene. Unfortunately, things didn't fare so well for the Hops industry. There are more productive uses for the land, such as housing tracts and tarmac roads to warehouse retired people. So yet another US source for beer ingredients has faded into history.

If anyone had to be a farmer, understand the government would put you out of business. Google, Monsanto.

Berlin's article shows he is a fraud or a paid propagandist for the beer industry or both.

Beer is made almost entirely of water. The grains and hops are tiny percentage of the total volume in beer. As a reality check: read the food label. Raw material and transportation cost are miniscule. The most expensive cost in producing the beer is not the tangibles but the fancy marketing, lavish advertisement, and promotion gimmicks. Despite that cost, the profit margin of a can of beer is higher than a PC or widescreen or car.

Like many stimulants, alcohol can be addictive and habit forming. Using clever advertisement and subtle psychological conditioning, the beer industry has persuaded the masses that drinking beer is cool, wonderful, and part of the American past time. Once people developed a strong beer-drinking habit, the beer producers began to put the squeeze on their wallet in order to fatten theirs.

Attributing the higher beer cost to ingredient and transportation rather than corporate pursuit of profit, which is not illegal, immoral, or fattening like beer consumption in some cases or by the case, Loren Berlin either an apologist or a shill for the beer industry.

I have to agree on the adverstisement part. $$ wasted. Look at budweiser. How much they dropped paying for superbowl commercials? Guess who's paying for it? You guys are.

"sin" tax's and it hasn't stopped nor will it.

they pushed everyone to quit smoking for their health, did health care go down? nope, but the revenue from their tax's did. think they will just tighten their belt and live within a budget? dont be a fool.

"Once a consumer gets used to paying a certain amount, the spike in price goes up pretty quickly, but the going down is pretty slow."

Sounds like brewers are simply following the oils companies strategy; Raise prices $.30 then drop it $.07 to create the illusion of a "bargain" wait a few months and repeat.

I just thought that this was another front in the "Culture Wars" raised by the American Taliban against Civilization.

Heck of a job, Baggers and Party of No!

NOT TRUE! No disrespect intended, but the cost of ingredients plus bottles and caps comes to at least as much as any good domestic microbrew. AND you must buy the brewing equipment, including the capper OR self capping bottles. It's easy to break the bottle's neck while capping, and every time that happens you lose one beer. It takes practice and patience and a bit of science combined with simple fermentation to brew a drinkable beer. Do not be fooled by those who DON"T KNOW: brewing your own does not save enough money to make it worthwhile! I've done it many times, and sure, it is a great feeling to make your own. But it's much easier to buy one of the many, many domestic microbrews that are found all over this great country! Beer is strength!

There is a lot of misinformation being dished out here. Beer is a depressant not a stimulant. Though, one way to halt the rise in the price of beer would be to quit drinking it.

Since when is profit automatically now called greed? Times of high profit in any industry create opportunity for new players, and for competition to offer better value in order to capture more market share.

I guess MSNBC has decided that all profit (except their own) is automatically now considered greed.

Since when is profit automatically now called greed?

Since liberals said so. Just ask that idiot extremist liberal Michael Moore who himself has made millions off the ignorant masses. I'm not sure where that mindless mentality roots from, but my guess is it starts in government public education run by fellow card-carrying liberal Democrats in the teacher's unions.

It's unbelievable that people can actually believe that me making something (or buying something) and selling it for a profit is bad. But there you have it: liberal emotion-driven mindlessness of the modern left at it's finest.

And if you really want to look at the irony of that mentality, these are the same people who have ZERO problems with federal and state governments wasting our money.

Jimee, if your drinking anyway save your bottles and use those. Also, I don't know what capper your using but I've never had a problem. My first batch ever was 100% drinkable and requested after it was gone, hell if I start a new batch I automatically get requests. If someone 8,000 years ago can make a brew, I sure can.

Paul F, profit is greed when we do anything to increase it to the point of hurting many others. While I don't agree that it is pure greed in this circumstance (buy local microbrews, they usually come in big $5 bottles or larger for real cheap and they don't spend the money on marketing) as we have no evidence of that (and there are good reasons for the price increase) most times it is seen as greed because of many examples like oil or Mr. Scrooge. People who knock over others and hurt society for their own gains are seen as greedy and there's a good reason for that.

Jimme- It really is cheaper to make your own. I spent $60 on my last 5-gallon batch, which is the equivalent of $6.50 for a 6 pack, and it is MUCH better than most microbrews. I've capped probably 1000 bottles of beer and broke one once, because I wasn't paying attention. My equipment cost less than $100, so really I'm spending much less brewing beer than if I were buying good microbrews all the time. I've honestly never had a bad batch, so I don't think it's as hard as you're making it sound.

everything is going up, because the dollar is going down. thats the truth, you can play with words however you like but this is a simple thing. your savings, labor and future earning potential are being looted by the deliberate driving down of a dollars worth. this is a sneaky way of driving taxes on all of us (average, poor and wealthy), sky high. states like utah are combating this by allowing people to choose gold and silver as a currency. this is catching on fast. i suggest you support this in your state.

The key word in this article is, GREED! A tactic always used by oil companies!

My God where do you oil-bashing morons come from? Every year when gas prices go up, Democrats trot out the "hearings" and grill oil executives during a media circus event known as a congressional hearing. Every year they find nothing done wrong by the oil companies.

Move on to the next lost cause, liberals. For your own good please. The rest of us will move forward in the reality of business operations.

10tacle,

Maybe some of the things that does make Congress, both Democrat and Republican, question Big Oil are: Desire for new leases, when existing leases are not explored. The perception (and probable fact) that the industry is willing to spend more money lobbying and fighting in court, than merely comply with safety regulations. The unending proclamations of safety following all too frequent calamtious accidents at platforms, pipelines and refineries. Monopolies of refineries and/or distribution in certain areas.

I live in a town of 12,500. All gas stations, regardless of brand, except Murphy (associated with Walmart) are owned by the same distributor. Same gas from same terminal, brand placards changed on trucks, and presumably different additives mixed at terminal. All prices in town change virtually simultaneously. They all change via phone call, not independent store managers. This covers about 90% of the stations in the county. If you have the only gas for 20-25 miles, you effectively control the price of gas within about $1. As a result, this is an expensive town to buy gas.

Likewise refiners decide how much oil will be made into gasoline, aviation fuel, fuel oil, diesel, lubricating oils, tars, and resins for processing into synthetics and plastics. Few new domestic refineries have been built. And we import not just crude oil, but also aviation fuel, gasoline, diesel and fuel oil from off-shore.

But these are all business decisions, made by Big Oil each year. The overseas price of crude affect prices yes, but not as much as the decision not to produce.

Regarding profit and greed, I am reminded of Henry Ford, archtypical capitalist. Referring to his investors' demands for dividends. "Yes, the greedy will get their profits, despite that they have done nothing to earn them." (paraphrased) I guess henry forgot from where the money to build the factories and buy the machines and materials came.

I would not put it past those white collar criminal slobs at Goldman Sachs to be speculating in beer. If it is something you depend up and is popular, that means they can $crew you on it.

They are speculating on wheat, rice and corn. They are speculating on coffee and oil. You need it, you want it, Goldman Sachs is there first driving the price up!!!

The next time our military is called upon to go after the enemy of the America, they need to invade Wall Street.

Jimmie:

Obviously you have little to no experience in this. Why just today I brewed a stout kit that cost me $25 with a $15 pot on my stove. Put in a $5 plastic bucket to ferment, then transfer to a old glass carboy. Then to be placed in bottles from which I have allready used or are donated to me. All told I might have $50 into this but the cost's decrease with every beautiful batch made. Don't put the hate on Home Brewing. It kicks ass.

They should charge a tax on beer to help pay for the justice system to cover the cost everytime a drunk has to be arrested.

Oil effects every thing beer is a choice not at all the same.

Proffit is good that is why i work, to make a proffit to buy beer and pay taxes so slobs can drink oe (old english).

Can't save money brewing your own unless tour time is worth nothing to you there for maybe a good hobby but like most micros home brew taste like crap. imo

As for taxing me any more espescially to give to the injustice sytem well you can suckit. I think someone should bust a bottle on your cranium. But make sure its empty wouldn't want to waste liquid gold on the likes of you.

if an article on beer doent interrest you, why are you here?

Perhaps frank is just telling it like it is for those whining crybabies complaining about the price.

Oh gee Frank, thanks for the VERY informative post! The law off supply and demand remains constant but a genius like you just advises a consumer like me to not buy it! Wow I'd have NEVER thought of that on my own.

10tacle

you might have thought of it on your own if your mind wasn't addled from too much beer

Beer is not a necesity like food. If you can't afford it then find another hobby. Go to a transplant hospital and see what alcohol does to people who don't handle it responsibly.

If it's just something you do on occassion then the cost a $20 is no big deal.

It's because of the "corn ethanol" that's going to save us when oil runs out. Farmers are getting MASSIVE subsidies to grow crap corn not fit for feed (let alone human consumption). The saddest part is that the "corn ethanol" is SO expensive that without government's help a gallon of it would be cost prohibitive! The GOP pushed for the "aid" to their farmers for this one. Can't blame Obama for this mess.

And as climate change makes raising crops yet more risky, the price of that "corn ethanol" is going to get really dear.

Sean, the climate, is getting cooler, not warmer. Why do you think the people who expected to get rich from the licensing of air changed the name from global warming, to climate change?

gee can you guess which one of the above knows anything about farms?.......:)

Farmers are getting MASSIVE subsidies to grow crap corn not fit for feed (let alone human consumption

Crap corn? Get a clue, the corn used to make ethanol is the exact same as used for feed and human consumption. If it were something different there would be no shortage in the other two areas and if it were "crap" farmers wouldn't grow it because it wouldn't be worth as much. Did you think there was some special breed of "ethanol corn"? By-products of the ethanol production are used as livestock feed to the tune of one bushel returned for every 3 bushels used. If it's not fit for feed BEFORE it is used for ethanol how could it possibly be AFTER?

If you want people to take your argument seriously try not to spout nonsense. Another good idea would be to try and avoid inserting your political bias into the equation. I don't see where anyone attempted to blame this on Obama.

Filler up and grab a case or two...might as well combine trips. besides, after several of those frothy delights, the price you paid for either gas or brew won't seem very important.

Although, I am wondering why someone on Wall St. doesn't have a hedge fund for beer?

onnafence

Sean, the climate, is getting cooler, not warmer. Why do you think the people who expected to get rich from the licensing of air changed the name from global warming, to climate change?

Without getting into the reason, the Earth's average temperature is getting warmer. It seems that some people couldn't handle the term 'global warming" so to appease a certain group of people the term is now "climate change" but the results are the same. As the Earth's average temperature rises it causes changes in the weather pattern that can melt the polar ice while bringing the cold air towards the equator. It can cause more rain in some places and less rain in others.

Now as to the stop buying beer comments, some people can do without where some people cannot. For some people to stop drinking alcohol is a problem not unlike drug addiction. It can be very difficult.

Backcountry: I'm not sure what corn is used for ethanol, but there most certainly is a difference between the strains of corn used for silage and that for human consumption. Well, you could bring those strains of corn or market, but no one buy it, it tastes crappy, pain in the butt to eat and definitely not worth the effort unless you are starving and have nothing else to eat.

Mitchell

Backcountry: I'm not sure what corn is used for ethanol, but there most certainly is a difference between the strains of corn used for silage and that for human consumption. Well, you could bring those strains of corn or market, but no one buy it, it tastes crappy, pain in the butt to eat and definitely not worth the effort unless you are starving and have nothing else to eat.

There are 3 primary types of corn consumed here in the US. Popcorn, sweet corn and dent corn. What you are thinking of is sweet corn, what we typically think about when eating corn comes to mind; off the cob, in a can or frozen in a bag. However the VAST majority of corn consumed by us is dent, or field, corn. It is practically in almost everything you eat, from the ketchup you put on your burger to the soda you wash it down with.

Farmers receive subsidies to not grow crops, to keep the price artificially high, not to grow crap corn not fit for feed or humans or feed. Living in the middle of corn country all I see is field corn (dent corn), all the same quality, used for ethanol, sucrose, feed and such. Sweet corn is also grown, it has a shorter season and appearance, and is harvested for human consumption. I have seen both types of corn plants harvested whole (the entire plant from the ground up, ears and all) and chopped up for silage for feed also.

Ethanol and Biodiesel can be produced by genetically altered ALGAE. That's the wave the of the future.

Then there is cellulose derived ethanol from shavegrass/switchgrass. This crop can be grown on marginal crop land and is perennial, drought and disease resistant while providing natural habitat for wildlife.

You forgot flint and flour corn.

Ok, I suppose the clarification that that we aren't talking about fructose syrup or corn starch. Still, though dent makes up 90% of corn production, well over 2/3's is used for silage, 14-16% used in ethanol production, and a few misc. percentage points are used in industrial applications. In all, roughly 10% or less is used to make base ingredients in foods which means that 9% or less of total corn production is dent used in food processing.

But really, it's a far stretch to include fructose syrup in this argument since it can be made by many different means. Just like table sugar, doesn't matter if it comes from beets, cane, or whatever, it's still a di-saccharide of glucose and fructose. Corn just happens to be the most economical way of making glucose syrup. When using dent, or flint in foods, you are only extracting a specific part of the kernel for use not exactly what is meant by fit for human consumption in this context.

Mitchell

You forgot flint and flour corn.

I didn't forget them, I excluded them. As far as I know they aren't widely grown here in the US.

But really, it's a far stretch to include fructose syrup in this argument since it can be made by many different means.

???? I was responding to a comment that indicated some corn was not fit for human consumption so I’m not sure why I wouldn’t include corn in my argument. If corn is not fit to be used for the production of fructose it is not fit for human consumption. Any corn used to make ethanol can also be used to make fructose.

Corn just happens to be the most economical way of making glucose syrup.

Again ???? That is what we're talking about here. Increased demand without increased supply decreases the economic viability of using corn for the production of fructose.

In your first response you didn’t even know what type of corn was used to make ethanol or that we consumed anything other than sweet corn. Now you’re lecturing me on the usage of the corn that you didn’t even know about? Wikipedia is not always your friend.

Forgot to add- Dent corn is not just used in the form of fructose in terms of human consumption. It is also used in corn oil, corn meal and cornstarch. Again, it is the same corn used for these things as ethanol, which was the point I was making.

It's a good thing that I look at some other sites including .edu and .gov sites among others, wikipedia is only a starting point. I will actually take 2-3 hours to research my posts, heck one time I spent about 15-20 hours.

The only thing I claimed I didn't know was what kind of corn was used in ethanol production, my first guess was that it was dent, but it didn't matter for the purposes of my comment.

Hannah originally mentioned growing "crap corn not fit for feed (let alone human consumption)", although the feed part was definitely wrong, only if you take the literally meaning of 'not fit for human consumption' can you say that she was wrong, however, that's not the context of what she was saying.

If you want to quibble about the literally meaning of it, you could say something like charcoal is fit too since we infusion various elements of it into the items we are grilling just like we are simply deriving the particular elements of corn starch or the glucose that's in corn syrup.

We also can derive nutrition/flavor from grass, wood, dirt and various other things that we would classify as 'not fit' but are actually are being used it in cooking. But no one goes out to by dent corn for dinner unless there's no other choice just like you don't boil up some grass unless you have no other choice.

Mitchell

It's a good thing that I look at some other sites including .edu and .gov sites among others, wikipedia is only a starting point. I will actually take 2-3 hours to research my posts, heck one time I spent about 15-20 hours.

I tyipically stick to what I already know. That way I don't look clueless. If your "first guess" was dent corn what on earth was your second? Obviously you didn't spend 2-3 hours researching your first post since you'd have had the answer in 2-3 minutes.

As I said. Dent corn is used for more than HFCS in terms of human consuption so I'll stand by my original point that there is no such thing as "crap corn not fit for human consumption". When they start grinding charcoal for meal your analogy will be valid but I don't suspect we'll be seeing "black grits" anytime soon.

But no one goes out to by dent corn for dinner...

My understanding is that it is commonly eaten fresh in Mexico where it is served with mayonnaise and queso fresco. I don't know about the availibility of sweet corn but I suspect dent corn is much cheaper. I suppose I could spend a couple hours looking up the answers so I could pretend I already knew it but that seems like it would be an incredible waste of time. Much easier to just admit I don't know for sure.

Maybe no crap corn but ethanol fuel is crap. Biggest scam ever. Burns like crap, eats the crap out of rubber lines and gaskets, attracts water like a sponge causing engine failure, cost to much, makes more pollution. All it does is make the tree huggers and school children that don't know better feel good.

Maybe no crap corn but ethanol fuel is crap.

Can't argue with that. It actually takes more energy to produce than the end product contains. Who thought that made any sense?

All it does is make the tree huggers and school children that don't know better feel good.

Actually the tree huggers jumped off that band wagon a long time ago. Turns out it's not nearly as clean burning as originally thought and when you factor in the environmental imact of it's production it's actually worse than oil. I'm pretty sure that by this point it is only the politicains and corn growers who feel good about ethanol. I won't buy it even when it's 10-15 cents a gallon cheaper; just don't tell my neighbors, I live in the middle of corn country.

Back countryLook up the definition of psychopathic then research General Electric Sears and some of the other large corporations for fines they have paid out for criminal acts. Finally stop and think about the banks and wall streets practices. They are or are heavily connected to corporations. I don't just run my mouth to make myself feel important. I genuinely care about my country and its people.

From the Pacific Northwest. We're sending another much needed warm moist front your way. Raining heavily even as I sit here. Expect it in 2-3 days. Go Pacific, we need more moisture!

Larry, feel free to post some facts. I already looked them up and found we are in a cooling trend, not a warming trend, though warming trends happened regulary throughout history, before man inhabited the earth. I guess if it happens, let's use it as an excuse for another enormous tax (carbon) on the people. Because as Rahm said, never let an emergency (real or conjured) go to waste. The useful idiots need something to do, since apparently they don't work for a living.

Here's my contribution to the discussion: Ocean Current change is a major contribution to climate change. Always has had major effects on weather patterns and regional temperature variances. And where and how well corn, or anything, grows.

Here is a place to start, but we can all learn from this discussion. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/oceans.htm

At least I would like to believe we can.

Peace

YOUR RIGHT !!!!!

, i just stubbed my toe going to the fridge to get a beer...why you may ask? it was global warming thats why!! ....it made me thirsty............:)

If you think you are going to convince a bunch of guys who are unwilling to shell out for good beer that global warming is real, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn for sale! These ignorant, narrow minded reactionary right wing NUTS are as dumb as sin and always have been, and always will.

I'll believe in global warming when FOX News tells me to. Not a minute sooner. (Where's the sarcasm button?)

Jimme & Larry: you two mouth breathing liberals do realize that MAN-MADE global warming is NOT a fact, correct? No, of course you don't. That's why you people blame ANYTHING on your junk science religion of AGW. If it floods, it's because of GW. If there's a drought, it's because of GW. Too many hurricanes it's GW. Not enough hurricanes it's GW.

I'll tell you and your (mostly liberal) cohorts who believe in AGW and want to push cap&trade and other fascist BS down our throats this much: the MINUTE we can forecast an entire Atlantic hurricane season with 100% accuracy, LET ALONE next week's local weather, will be before we can forecast GLOBAL weather patterns induced by mankind's activities.

Finally, I will continue to spew carbon emissions from MY GRILL on MY PROPERTY and drive WHAT I WANT and you liberal facistocrats can sit down and shut up!

10tacle,

Don't blow a Tess Tickle!

We are having the coolest summer I can ever remember here in St. Louis. I know! You changed to Climate Change, but do you realize that the solar sun spots are responsible for it. Al Gore and the NWO want to confiscate our rights so when things straighten out in a few years and Solar activity, they will say we did it. And they will have all the profits to themselves. Americans are stupid sheeple who go after emotional hype. I wish my fellow Americans would grow up and grow some frontal lobes!

Michael

wow, it's already summer in St. Louis? it's only spring here in Seattle.

when you start off your argument with a blatant lie, it's really hard to even read the rest, much less take it seriously.

get professional help. soon.

"Your arguments are wrong because we perceive bad apples and right now the micro climate is warm!"

your wrong because there are VERY little ACTUAL scientists who think like you. The main ones that disagree with real life scientists are those who disagree with evolution (favoring creationism as a scientifically proven fact and make up events, and finds to prove their point) and most times can be found to have degree's that don't qualify them to do any real research and have to self publish their "articles" because no one will bother to print their dribble. See "Dr." Hovind. The only other people I see who disagree with scientists (no they don't all have one master plan that as soon as you get a degree you must follow.yes, they spend years researching just these topics and have a better understanding then glenn becks cursory glance) are politicians and morons.

and random hot spells or cold spells do not negate the average global temperature or the effects it has. By your reasoning whenever the sun sets we have no guarantee it will rise, as its dark out.

The best sign of victory is that its gone from "the climate does not change" to "your data is wrong" to "ok but its not because of what you say". Its amazing to see what a paranoid mind will do to unanimously support an idea it finds comforting.

10tacle, if you want to call be a "mouth breathing liberal" I can live with that if you can live with being an idiot the rest of your life. Otherwise your arguments are moot. I never said the AGW or climate change was man made as you tried to put those words in my mouth. I said the Earth average temperature was increasing. (Read comment #3.7) Anyone that wants to disagree with that is either an idiot or an oil company scientist because all the world scientists that aren't under oil company payroll agrees that the Earth is getting warmer. Statistics prove it. Where does that put you? Now sober up and I'll talk to you later.

Hey Larry: 1), I prefer wine over beer. 2), Your petulant bed wetting comments about Fox News and big oil are duly noted. 3), Temperature data and reports have been proven to be manufactured and in many cases, flat out intentionally fraudulent with examples of sensors being placed in the middle of parking lots and next to air conditioning units. 4), The Earth has warmed and cooled naturally for its entire multi-billion year history. 5), You CANNOT prove that mankind is causing earth's fluctuating temperatures (between 1998 and 2008 it actually cooled). 6), The Daily Kos is calling you - I'd recommend heading over there.

Americans are stupid sheeple who go after emotional hype.

Not all Americans mind you - just the mindless Democrat voting liberals among us.

10tacle, the wine explains a lot. 1) I asked you to sober up, not what's your preference of alcohol. 2) Sorry my opinion of your news source upset you. 3) You argue that the temperatures are made up so I guess next you'll argue that the polar bears won't have a problem without ice. 4) I'm well aware that the Earth has warmed and cooled over millions of years 5) I don't know how to put it across to you that I never said that the Earth's warming was caused by man. That's where I have a problem with right wing nuts, they have no reading comprehension. 6) I don't know what the Daily Kos is or what it stands for nor do I care. I only worry that you might hurt yourself in your padded cell.

I was going to say the same thing.

We could all switch to mead too. I have a friend who brews award winning mead just using ingredients from the local market. You haven't lived until you've tried a 34 proof chocolate pomegranate mead!

allows anyone who can read and follow simple directions to make the best beer they have ever tasted in their life

Sorry but I would have to disagree. I prefer a lager, as does most of the nation. Many beer drinkers have probably never had anything else. Lagers are not "easy" for the home brewer. Besides you're talking about spending $30 (not including equipment) for 2 cases opposed to $40 to buy them at the store. All that work just to save 10 bucks? No. Home brewing is only a viable alternative for those who enjoy doing it and appreciate variety in their beer.

It takes at least 2 months from the time you start brewing until you can drink your brew. So you must plan way ahead or you will not have any. Brew if you are into a cooking science project. By the way: bottling your own beer is a pain in the a$$! Use self capping Grolsch bottles (Danish) or purchase your own self capping bottles. Enjoy!

Actually, I prefer German Weizen beer over lagers. Absolutely hate lager.

I've been homebrewing for years, and it's not something you'd simply do to save money. In fact, between the time you have to put in actually brewing and the waiting (weeks for one batch), I wouldn't say that you really save anything. I do it because I love the science behind brewing and I like doing the work; it's rewarding to me. However, "to save money" wouldn't be in my top 20 reasons for doing it.

Wrong again Jimmie:

I can brew, bottle and start consuming a nice Porter in 3 weeks. While I have only been at it for 2 years, I don't believe you know what your talking about.

I can brew, bottle and start consuming a nice Porter in 3 weeks. While I have only been at it for 2 years, I don't believe you know what your talking about.

Any lager has to sit for at least 6 weeks after fermentation, I believe the colder temp slows the process. So 2 months is correct for a lager. Porter is an ale if I'm not mistaken which is much easier to make.

John are you crazy. That kind of talk is blasphmist. Just do what I did and start brewing your own beer. Never quit, Never surrender.

Northwestbrewing.com They have some good kits. State faithful and full.

No NFL this year, beer consumption will go WAY DOWN!

Especially cheap, crappy, horrible beer.

You must be drinking quite a lot of beer to be able to put a company out of business by stopping.

When I quit drinking beer the brewery didn't go out of business, but they did lay off 3rd shift.

Nope: it was the Geroge Bush clan. Blame it on the Bushes: after all, they produced the most ignorant, bad for America, LOSER President of ALL TIME: "LiL" gw bush-league!

The Pharonic Egyptians made beer from left-over bread and water in clay pots. As a result, the words for bread and beer in ancient Egyotian are almost identical.

Beer can be made from any ceral grain, and does NOT require hops. Hops give beer its "bite"; but is a matter of taste, not a requirement to be beer. However, ethanol from corn is already causing global affects in the world market. Flour for tortillas in Mexico (white corn) doubled in price in Mexico in 2008-9 due to farmers growing yellow corn to ship across the border to ADM to be processed into ethanol in Texas. Same thing has happened to soy beans, rice and similar crops. Likewise farmers are retreating to cutting wooded areas and tearing out fence rows for more ethanol corn. Whiskey prices will be next.

You don't even need the air lock,place the 5 gallon water jug in a 40 gallon trash bag seal it with a twist tie and let nature take its course. (no the trash bag doesn't affect the taste) We got 50 lbs of grapes from an old vine that was going to be pulled up and got 10 gallons of very drinkable Dago red using this technique.

LOL!

I'm Jimme Johnson and I DO NOT SUPPORT this comment.

I'm Jimme Johnson

Now I'm Confused...

notsojingo,

It's a Colbert prank based on a rapper who tweeted something truly stupid and offensive, and when called out immediately tweeted "I'm so-and-so, and I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS COMMENT" as his retraction.

Thanks Bill. I missed that show I believe.

Nope.

Damn

Your stupid reasoning mean that we should be getting a 3% increase in disposable income for EVERYTHING that has gone up in price 3%. I think you need to multiply that loss of income to include, well gee, everything you buy.

I think you're lying!

love that born on date, many stores have a beer sale when it gets close to the date, i picked up bud and busch 12 pks a couple weeks back for about half price.

I used to own a bar. The Bud man came by every month and checked the date on my stock. If any was out of date he would swap it out free. They really care about their product. I dson't know what they do wilt the old beer, but I would love to get it on the cheap.

LOL...

You, sir, area very disciplined individual, and I give you credit. The best revenge is to boycott! No Wal-Mart, no made in China, no genetically modified produce, no hormones, etc. PS: If that makes me a left wing nut, it makes you a right wing nut! See how that works?

And no gasoline!

Spot on! The taxes for roll your cigarettes went from $4.96 to $10.99 IN ONE JUMP because of taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine if the same jerks went to the store and found that their wine went from $25.00 to $45.00 a bottle? WILL NEVER HAPPEN, hypocrites.

good idea, why spend good money on legal booze when you can simply risk a 3+ Year stretch in the pen, but dont fret at least there is pruno there so its all cool........:)

Come on now they know Moonshine burns when lighted..They changed the name to Ethanol...LOL