They don't teach math in school anymore.

The SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate is 23% (includes the people that dropped out of the labor people, discouraged people, ones that gave up and gave up their unemployement checks) This number the government will never give you.

Here is the goverment's website that gives you these numbers:

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

Make sure you checkout the "Discouraged Workers - LNU05026645" table. That number only has the data for people NOT in the labor pool. You add this number to the labor pool number and then do your percentage calculations.

23% is the ACTUALLY unemployment rate. "The truth shall set you free."

Too bad for you two that the economy is getting better, no thanks to the Republicans who have been focused on health care, union busting, and making cuts for the poor and middle class.

I done thought that this were abut jobbs?

Dare aint no jobbs out daree. I has a doctorite and I kant fined a job

even diging ditchs

If you were in Europe, you'd be paying $6.50 for that gas. Count your blessings and thank your congressmen for not taxing it even half as much as the rest of the world's democracies.

In London they're already paying the equivalent of $9.00 for gas... thankfully where I live it hasn't reached $4 yet... but it will before the month is out

Yes but you'd be making better money in Europe, same as Canada. Wages are higher in those countries.

Until I actually have a real full time job, not a scam job sitting at a phone scamming others, not a job selling kitchen knives door to door to people who can't even afford a carrot to cut them with, I'm not believing that this picture is as rosy as they want to paint it. The past 2 weeks I've seen nothing but a small trickle of job postings come in from all the job sites I'm signed up with. There were more job postings in December than there are now. Even our own unemployment office here rarely has any kind of "real" job postings on their website. So who is this painter of this rosy pictures?

Temp seasonal jobs are naturally picking up speed right now. Just look at box retailers with nursery departments, Lowe's, Home Depot, landscapers are starting to hire, garden centers, but these are not what one should consider real jobs since eventually all of these people are not needed when the season ends. And part time jobs working under 22 hours a week offering minimum wage seems to be the key jobs here. Its very rare to see any business or company seeking a full time employee here in NJ.

Eric-913730

Just like JustGetItRight, you too.

Read and Comprehend post#1.40.

If you want all the stats go to http://www.usdebtclock.org/ It is the real picture.

buy local produce from local farmers! also, grow your own veggies. i am sprouting a container garden in preparation of my foreclosure. i was going to have kids, but looks like no dice. i have an idea. go out and shoot a bunch veterans! land in a federal prison. no more worries.

I'm over 60 with lots of IT experience and a masters degree. Moved to Dallas as it's the #2 market in the country. One month and a few interviews later, I landed a 6-figure job. If you have the education and experience, you HAVE TO GO WHERE THE MONEY IS!!! Definitely not easy for people with kids and roots. In my case, it was a no-brainer. The jobs are definitely there if you're willing to move...especially to the DFW area since the cost of living here is soooooo cheap!!! A win all around.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. There are plenty of jobs out there, for those who want to work.

They may not be the jobs in your chosen career or what you want to do, but they are out there. Suck it up and take ANY job, I don't care if its washing dishes at the local restaurant, or being a greeter at Wal-Mart. ANYTHING!!

When people have families to support, if you want them to take a job washing dishes or being a greeter at Wal-Mart then I hope you support increases in minimum wage and other policies that help people to earn enough money to live on. I hope you support strong unions that enable workers that AREN'T rich managers to earn a living wage. I hope you support progressive taxation.

In short, I hope you support some of the many policies that were accepted parts of American life before 1980 or so and that would enable a greeter at Wal-Mart to put food on the table, have adequate health care, and a reasonable place to live.

Nope. Minimum wage is just that- the minimum wage an employer can pay you. Its not meant to be a "living" wage.

Work two or three part-time jobs! Is it better to just sit around, be depressed and do nothing?

"breeze"

you are an idiot...once you pass 45 you too will learn the ugly hidden truth...no one once to hire you.

I have been an engineer for 31 years; then my job was outsourced to India. I have been unemployed for 2 1/2 years...not even one interview...not even for county job that said "no experience necessary"

You and our politicians weill believe that all is OK until the people "start walking like an Egyptian" - it's sad to say that Egyptians are smarter then you.

Breeze,

The breeze is blowing right between your ears, you "I've been in a cave" idiot.

Prove it. Quit your job and go get a better one. Or, are you retired on social security?

I'll be just fine when I pass that age, because I chose a profession that will always have work.

What kind of engineer are you? You must suck as an engineer then, because everywhere I go there is a shortage. MOVE somewhere different if you can't find a job in your area.

If you have a hard time accepting the fact that people can't find work then you must eat a lot of terd sandwiches.

Let's see... I don't have a job, so I'm going to sit at home and whine. Damn this President and this country, they OWE me a job! EVERYONE OWES ME!!

Oh, THAT's the answer. Damn, and we thought it was the deepest recession since 1930, but no, it's because everyone in the United States is not an engineer! (slap self on forehead).

You might want to watch "Falling Down" again before your head gets so big it explodes.

Oh and Yes We Can? I work on overseas contracts. I am unemployed regularly, most of it by choice. I just go out and find another contract.

Living wages are what's needed not Chinese wages.......

I agree, but if a person is not skilled or has no marketable skills how can you expect more than minimum wage? And if a person has to, work two or three jobs to make up the difference. I know if it were me and I was laid off for a long period of time, I would do ANYTHING- shovel sh*t for farmers, shovel snow, wash dishes, shingle a roof, mow a lawn etc. ANYTHING to put food and the table and keep a roof over our heads.

Chip D-2844144 I do believe that these tax cuts have been in place for close to ten years. So if they're so good, what happened in Bush's second term?

All those tax cuts have done is left us with a legacy of debt that we might never be able to pay back. If we lose our reserve currency status (and other countries are already talking about it) expect the sh*t to hit the fan then. Expect 30% unemployment and our dollar to be virtually worthless, even here. Spending is out of control as well, I say hang ALL of them-GOP and Dem!! Are they worried? No, and why should they be, they are all set for the rest of their lives!

breeze6839

Nope. Minimum wage is just that- the minimum wage an employer can pay you. Its not meant to be a "living" wage.

Work two or three part-time jobs! Is it better to just sit around, be depressed and do nothing?

We aren't talking about "sitting around and being depressed". We are talking about people that have a good, expensive education and are now out of work. They aren't sitting around doing nothing -- they're LOOKING for work and not finding it. They are also exercizing their right -- as citizens of a democracy -- to complain about the current laws and to ask that they be changed.

How your republican mind manages to spin that into "sitting around depressed and doing nothing" is a mystery.

Perhaps more to the point, please explain to me how someone can live in America today working two (or 3) part time jobs that pay minimum wage (or close to it). It doesn't seem to bother you in the slightest that someone in that category has basically no chance of obtaining adequate health care.

For that matter, what is the incentive to work hard to earn a good education if there is a substantial chance that you're going to end up working as a greeter in Wal Mart?

I have a PhD and a good job as a professor. I worked ***HARD*** to earn that PhD. At times, in grad school, I was working 100+ hours a week. If I were to lose this job, your suggestion is that I get a job as a greeter at Wal-Mart? That'll go over very well when I talk to children about the importance of a good education and doing well in school:

"Yep! If you spend 9 years in college, working 100 hours a week, and then have years of postdoctoral work experience in your field, and you lose your job because only 7% of grants in your field are being funded, you too can put on a blue uniform and a smiley face button and give little stickers to children as they walk into Wal-Mart! You'll be paid minimum wage! Now study hard, Johnny!"

Sounds like your PhD is worthless and therefore maybe you should have planned multiple skills in your life instead of relying on one career path. Sorry, I have made 17k a year and well over 100k/year and I have spent my own money to learn new skills, new careers. I have had 5 job offers in the last year all over 100k. A PhD is only worth the paper it is printed on if you cannot find a job, same for a Masters. While education increases your odds of finding good employment, one should not rely on ONE skill set or career. Perhaps the money you spent on getting a PhD was better spent on learning a trade job just in case you fell on hard times. Your poor planning or anyone else that is not willing to take a job bartending, or working doing something is not our problem. Being unemployed for 3 years is pathetic no matter how you analyze it.

What part of we are in a deep recession do you not understand? And what part of that you may not find a job in your chosen career or profession do you not understand? So what your saying is that those jobs are beneath you? You are too "good" for those jobs? Well lets see, if you're unemployed ANY job looks better than the one you DON'T HAVE NOW! A bird in hand is better than two in the bush! What I am also saying is work those lower paying jobs until something better comes along, its not meant to be a career.

Well said DRC.

I chose a profession that will always have work.

No such thing, kid. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize what a stupid assumption this really is.

Whatever dude, you just keep thinking your way and I'll think mine. Plus, I have several others to fall back on too, just in case. Best investment a person can make in these trying times- community college.

@ breeze6839, you have no idea what you are talking about! How about an 82 year old man that has had his own business for over 40 years, worked hard all his life, did everything right and has no work to speak of. Is that right? But he goes to the office every day with his 80 year old wife and waits for work to come in. Are you saying that they at their age, should go out and find a new profession? Right! You had better be absolutely sure that your job is secure because you never know what tomorrow holds.

"I do believe that these tax cuts have been in place for close to ten years. So if they're so good, what happened in Bush's second term?"

Democrats took over congress, that's what! Take a look at Bush's first six years compared to the last two, the last one in particular since that is the one where the democrats wrote the budget.

Bush requested bank reform three times and each time Frank and Dodd blocked any action. The rest is history.

That is what happened!

Those tax cuts have cost us dearly, not to mention cutting taxes during a time of not one, but TWO wars! First time in the history of our country!

And Saoirse- At 82 you should be retired and collecting SS. Working part time jobs to supplement your income are what you should be doing.

At 82 years of age most would rather retire but this man does not want to live on SS. His small family business is his life. Also it gave jobs to his family, which he has had to lay off. So instead of living off the people he would prefer to live off the job he has been doing all his life. Which would you prefer he do?

Times are tough, it was a good ride between the mid-90's to 2008. There were those that went out and collected nuts for the lean times, and there were those that didn't and just partied it all away. Which one were you?

You wouldn't be "living off the people" if you collect SS, it is something you have paid into your entire life, and its time to collect. Guys like me? We too have paid in, but we'll never get to use all that money that we paid in, it will be consumed by the baby boomers. I would collect if I were you, before its gone!

DRC and Breeze: What I said was that we, as a society, should want a situation where an education is valuable. There is little incentive to work hard at obtaining a good education unless you can expect to get something out of your hard work that is truly worth having.

So... yes.... if someone spends 9 years in college, you're DAMN RIGHT he deserves something better than being a greeter at Wal-Mart.

Honestly, I don't know what has happened to conservatives in recent years. I grew up in a conservative republican home. I was taught that hard work should be rewarded and that working hard to get a good education meant that you've earned the right to a more comfortable life. Back then, republicans seemed to view that as part of a good work ethic. Somehow, today's republicans just take the view that "I've got mine, to hell with you."

It's sickening.

(By the way, if you had a better education yourself, your reading comprehension skills might be good enough to see that I DO have a good job. I'm not out of work. I was discussing a hypothetical situation that shows what's wrong with your argument.)

live his own life, and not complain if others don't agree ?

Whatever dude,

I'm sorry. I thought I was talking to a grown up. That happens sometimes on the Internet.

But, someday you'll realize that in the working world, there's no such thing as a sure thing. Ask your Dad.

Breeze, stay inside your bubble- the air outside might make you ill.

"Whatever dude" sounds quite characteristic of a single university student who really hasn't tasted real life yet.

There are plenty of people that have been out of work 2+ years. I'm one of them, and certainly NOT by choice. Please don't say you choose to be unemployed. You have no idea of everyone's circumstances and all that statement means is you are lumping all unemployed persons together and saying they are lazy cads that don't want to work. So very untrue.

So... yes.... if someone spends 9 years in college, you're DAMN RIGHT he deserves something better than being a greeter at Wal-Mart.

No one DESERVES anything! Its all about hard work in this country! You make it sound like just because someone went to college they OWE them a job? Unbelievable!

Oh Ophelia I have tasted the real life, probably way more than you have. I travel internationally for my work and I have been to countries and seen peoples who would kill for ANY of the opportunities we have in this country. Being lazy doesn't cut it. Get a fricken job, ANY job if you have been laid off for more than three months! And people want to call this a depression? HA! My folks lived through the depression, told me all about it and this ain't even CLOSE! Wait until this country loses reserve currency status and then you will see what a Depression is!

The economy runs because of private industry and capital, not government jobs and higher taxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvKEK0ZBlXs&feature=related

Oh Ophelia I have tasted the real life, probably way more than you have...

All this, and yet you still can say, "Whatever, dude..."

Yeah pretty much :) and your problem is? Let me guess, you're from south of the Mason-Dixon line?

And if that's all you've got is nitpicking, I'd say you've pretty much lost the argument?

You are ignorant Breeze.

How ignorant is it to say that people need to get out and work and quit waiting (and whining) for the "right" job?

I can pretty much say I know who the ignorant one is.

breeze6839,
People taking "just any job they can" isn't going to help matters in the long run. There's such a thing as quality of work, and someone who is trained and has experience in one field isn't going to match that same quality in an unfamiliar position - and that's just assuming that people are switching careers instead of taking menial positions as a store clerk or gardener.

If people are taking up menial jobs instead of a career, then I hope you're content with the USA becoming the next India.

OK, Breeze, how about this:

Your perspective on the working world is simplistic and naive, demonstrating a lack of understand or experience in the real world. The notion that there is such a thing as a "profession that will always have work", as you put it, shows a lack of depth, or experience. There is no such profession. That's a fact of life that apparently you have yet to learn.

In addition, the self-serving perspective that people just need to get out and work and quit waiting (and whining) is equally immature and shallow.

Dude.

You know what I meant- there's always professions that will always be necessary- doctors, EMT's, embalmers, nursing, mechanics, engineering etc etc etc. Maybe those jobs are not what some inspire to be but hey there is always work. Of course, it all depends on skill as to whether you survive or not, obviously if you suck, your going to be unemployed. People seem to think because they have an education they are owed something. They're not OWED anything! You don't DESERVE anything! Life is what you make of it!

And Bert, not once did I say it was going to be permanent. Its temporary until that person finds something different. Unemployment insurance was only supposed to be temporary until a person finds another job, it wasn't intended to be a way of life. I mean three years without a job? Come on, do something, anything!

Will all of you stop feeding the 16 year old troll named breeze6839

breeze6839 I heard you mom screaming all the way from here, you better get to your job at Taco Bell.

Don't feed the trolls. Breeze is ignorant.

LOL I think I know who the ignorant are. And if I was working at Taco Bell, at least that means I have a job right? :)

breeze6839 - at least that means I have a job right? :)

Your still here, and your mom is yelling that Taco Bell is going to fire your arse if you do not get there right now to go mix the filler into the mystery meat (ever wonder where the Taco Bell dog went).

Well if you work at Taco Bell, you not only have a job, but you also have a meal or two taken care of. As long as you want to eat the mystery meat lol. :) But, I'm ABOVE that job, in fact, I'm above EVERY job unless its in my chosen profession. I have a college degree and the President, the Government, and the people of the USA OWE me a job!!! Work for minimum wage, who would do that?

My, oh my, when I lived in Beijing, it was amazing to see how the "ugly" American tourists acted. Like the whole world owes them! No wonder everyone hates us! Now I see. Our "Greatest Generation" that came out of the Depression would be so embarrased!

david-475776

Will all of you stop feeding the 16 year old troll named breeze6839

breeze6839 I heard you mom screaming all the way from here, you better get to your job at Taco Bell.

VelvetVoice-2881922

Don't feed the trolls. Breeze is ignorant

Pretty much something you'd say when you've lost the argument. Something your mothers should tell you- "Now get your asses off the couch and go find a job!"

breeze6839,

And you are the very reason Prostituting (Contracting) yourself out to the Chinese for the loss of US Technology and US Knowledge to the Chinese.

And as far as my below minimum wage job based on number of hours of work and work conditions as a US Military Officer fighting your silly arse Wars (ongoing with this Administration and YOUR Politicians mistakes, as Declared Wars, and UN Sanctioned) as well as YOUR Politicians starting two "secret" Wars. And do not say my men, women or myself "Chose" this, we were already retired one or more times and were recalled, recalled, recalled. So yes, I got a job(s).

Actually, if you can do like Breeze, and leave the country, The Military Sealift Comand and whatever is the name of the company that took over for Haliburton and Blackwater, are pretty good paying options. And not as hard to qualify for as you might think, they provide training.

I was looking at a job as an instrument tech. They pay you to go to a six week school for the specific training, if you have a background in basic electronics, or electromechanics, and are a vet. Then, when you get placed overseas it pays extremely well. So long as you don't mind possibly having to pack an M16 with you, on the job. I decided to pass, but if I were to get canned from my present job, I'd probably go for it. I'd make a lousy WalMart greeter.

On the other hand if you stay in the US and Scott Walker, or the other front men for the Kock brothers have their way with you, then your next job is going to pay a lot less than your last job. Relative pay is always left out of these feelgood articles. With the cost of getting to and from work, underemployment can leave a family in worse financial straits than unemployment.

Oh yeah , google MSC , they'll send you a hire packet and if you get in, the school is in Maryland. It helps to have a friend or family member in the Merchant Marines to put down as a reference.

For the others, just answer those overseas job come-on ads, and ignore service jobs at hotels and on cruise ships. The tips aren't as good as they say and the pay sucks. You'll Know you're on the right track when the guy on the other end of the phone begins drooling over a yes response to his prior military service question, and tells you to show up at an address in Texas, or Colorado, and food and lodging will be provided.

Lots of Frustration. Some ideas. What is really funny is that everyone is correct. It seems our technology has not addressed our values but they key i see is in the definition of SUCK. What does SUCK mean? What is Quality? Where is quality one thing and then something totally different. There is no doubt WE AMERICANS have lost sight of our country. Everyone chooses the window they want and there are so many voices that WE AMERICANS have no sense of US. WE AMERICANS are FRACTURED. Of course, in reality, it has always been this way. But NOW, we can see it all around us. And we should be able to see that now as we can see how QUALITY varies for all work situations, we find a wacky divide that we can see, and this is where we become AMERICANS. When we say to ourselves. OK, I see where your idea of quality is not the same as mine. I see that you have good points though they are different than mine. I can appreciate them and I can support where you stand.

My examples include and apply to those of Hard Work versus Smart Work. There really is an entire economic language we can employ to discuss these ideas. I am structurally unemployed. i am a creative worker and a technician, I totally spread my education out to compensate for technological inertia. I find my fears of my inadequacies are much greater than the reality that I am in. I find this is the case as I see so many folks are really really at various levels regarding technology. The technology you use is your correct technology. Other peoples technology is incorrect because you do not use it. Our society relys too much on specialists and too little on common sense. If we really investigated our true notions, we may find we are all very snobby closed off lonely ignorant hurt people who are constantly forgetting we are all equal and all free and empowered to choose to pursue happiness. Now, life is complicated. No matter who you are, you just may find you get what you need. If you don't or cant succeed in one place or time or niche, move to another. That is simply animal behavior. Ofcourses, there are people who will need to make adjustments to their lifestyles. There are also several folks who are so displaced and displeased and rightfully so, that they feel the need to simply lay down. That is shock. It takes time to move past. It happens. Its no fun. Hard work Smart work it doesnt matter sometimes to some people in some places. Only Understanding can free you from your own judgment. Time is passing. Finally a little budge from the status quo. Are you pissed? You are surely trapped. Will it rain? Is that bad or good? What is is?

Oh yeah, Eveyone talking about China. If you own a share of stock you cannot wine about that company relocating factories to a place with 8 times the number of robot monkeys. You really wern`t thinking the USA would be the corporate consumer forever did you? See, those people need everything, we are looking kind of fat and our place is ugly and dirty. SO, SEE USA later. Buy what you can. Make all the art you want. You will always be slow and expensive. The Party is Over! How is your self esteem?

So... yes.... if someone spends 9 years in college, you're DAMN RIGHT he deserves something better than being a greeter at Wal-Mart.

MginRochester - He may be annoying, but I have to agree with breeze on this one. Neither 9 years or 90 years of education means that you deserve anything.

It may make you more valuable than the guy with the high school degree, but there is no knowing. I don't think Bill Gates ever graduated from Harvard University. One wonders why he deserves to be the founder of one of the biggest computer software companies on the planet.

Breeze, why can't you accept that you are wrong, proven wrong, and just plain look silly? I am living proof (as well as many others) that going out and busting ass (even for just any ol' job) does not guarantee employment. Not everyone lives in a city, remember. I for example live in a very small town with no nearby cities. I applied for LITERALLY every job within my qualifications, and some higher than my qualifications. I was told by Dollar General even that even though there were two positions available, there were more than 300 applicants over a few months that qualify for the job. And that's just here for a tiny community of a few thousand. Explain to me what the other hundreds of people are supposed to do when the two positions are filled?

There are not jobs for everybody in every city/town! For the sake of our collective sanity, please open your mind and close your mouth (typing hands).

Because I am NOT proven wrong. Why is it that you people are so pathetic that you will not accept your circumstances and adjust/adapt? MOVE if you can't find a job, DO ANYTHING if you can't find a job! This country is NOT a welfare state! My niece is working THREE part-time jobs to pay off her college loan! And was doing this all while going to school AND maintaining a perfect 4.0! Don't tell me there are NOT jobs out there! Suck it up and WORK! Everyone feels like they are OWED something in this country! You are NOT OWED ANYTHING!!!

And don't give me the rural excuse! I am from a rural midwestern town of 8000 people! The closest city of above 60K people is an hour and a half drive from my home!

McWatts:

I agree with you to some degree. However, if you are to critize please tell ALL of us how we should and could improve the way unemployment figures are determined. Remember there are six measurements taken by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. (U1 through U6) Which one would you have us believe? Currently the U3 is "the official" reported unemployment figure. I wish you success in finding better measures.

gordana- You may need to move to get your career back. Great thing about this country, you are still free to move if you like. Few years ago we tried to hire engineers so we could build a house. They were so over-worked it took 2 years to get one! Lost 120k because of it I might add. Long story. There are areas that are building because the state govt gave corporations (businesses) tax breaks to come there. Amazing how that works, huh? Probably not the place you want to be, but if we can turn the entire country around it won't be for long, hopefully. We just need a few more business minded people instead of lawyers in our govt to get the job done.

Poor Republicans...the economy is getting better...no thanks to them.

Poor democrats, the economy is getting better after republicans took the house.

The economy runs because of private industry and capital, not government jobs and higher taxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvKEK0ZBlXs&feature=related

Eric-913730,

Again uninformed. Read post#1.40.

Just wait until the next "Crisis" of 54.6 Trillion USDs hits.

And if you do not know about this, again proves just how uninformed you are.

Hope you like your rationed one can of Dog Food per week. If you like I can give you a receipe for Dog Food Stew to stretch out your one can of Dog Food per week. But I guess if it was good enough for your Grandparents or Great Grandparents, it must be good enough for you.

If you haven't figured it out, I am giving you a hint what to Research. I am not going to contribute to the broken US Education System by spoon feeding you.

It's simple really. Start counting those who have fallen out of the unemployment system and those who have given up hope and stopped looking.

or go here.

Shadowstats.com

I thought most people knew about these reality based stats.

Either they will spin it to say

1) It is because the republicans now control the house.

2) It is because those numbers don't include this or that so the you can't believe them

3) It is just a normal business cycle. The Obama Administration had nothing to do with it.

hey scrambo if your obamanoballs doesnt do something to stop the oil dudes the ensuing depression will make these numbers look like a crual joke

The only people "winging it" are the ones putting out this number. Propaganda, nothing more.

And next month unemployment will be back up to 9.2%

Oh and the headline will read:

"Unemployment unexpectedly rises".

So sick of DNCBC and their employment stories....all spin.

Yep, service jobs. Heard that before, only it was a bad thing, wasn't it?
Bad for Bush, good for Obama very typical.

Dude - Obama does not control the oil prices. Speculators do. And if there is strife in the Middle East, speculators will worry about oil. Therefore, prices will rise.

Instead of blaming government for gas prices, write your Congress people to make investments in green energy. If we use green energy, we won't be beholden to oil countries. Also, if we have a good rail system, people will do less driving. Build hybrid busses for cities. Hybrid school busses.

There are numerous ways of getting of our addiction to oil, but like Charlie Sheen, we like to hear ourselves talk and do nothing about what ails us.

What a bunch of sore heads, can't stand that Obama's policies have been working all of the time.

His re-election is guaranteed....

Perhaps your first problem is that you assume anyone that thinks differently than you is a Repub. BOTH parties are a joke, sorry if you cannot see that you will continue to see the downfall of this country. I did not vote for Bush but was not stupid enough to vote for Obama. But since you are obviously pre-Dem, do tell us how we will pay off our debt and close the deficit? I realize it is not just Obama who has spent beyond what we can pay but do tell how we will pay it back? Do you grasp 13 Trillion debt and continued spending and the fact is there is NO way to pay it back????????????????????????

Easy....repeal the tax cuts....

That's a stupid response, Obama is spending so much that taxes can't cover the debt. Spending is the problem, period.

Bottom line, we are still bleeding jobs. It is getting better, the downward slide is leveling off, but we are not on an upward trajectory yet. When we lose 200,000 and gain 300,000, then we are making progress, not the other way around.

McWatts....they are simple metrics, and simple metrics always have problems representing the entire spectrum. An average body temperature is 97 F, hardly anyone has the average...does that mean the metric is utter nonesense.

Get a grip, the comment was nonesense. People who don't deal with numbers and can't tolerate their implict limitations should perhaps..be quiet ??

Eric- Do you really think repealing the tax cuts will produce 13 trillion dollars?

DRC-310391:

Since you did not vote for Obama, I can only deduct that you voted for McCain and SARAH PALIN. Now I ask you, Is that smart to put Sarah Palin, one heartbeat, from the White House? Or perhaps you voted for a minor party, which is perfectly OK, except the third party and down have NO CHANCE at winning a presidential election. As for your question about the debt of the U.S. Why should I answer a question for which YOU already have STATED THE ANSWER? You stated in the SAME post your answer to your question, very emphatically, I may add. At least you did admit that the debt of OUR country was not created by Obama alone. In FACT this debt has been escalating dramatically for over 40 years! And yes it is a serious problem, but it sure cannot, even be attempted, be solved by lowering the finances and wages of the middle and lower class citizens and distributing more of the wealth in the top 3% to 5% of the wealthy, and then, lowering the taxes of these same top income earners. I am not trying to be a smart-azz, but if there is truely no way to pay back our national debt, why are we debating or even discussing the subject?

sandincali:

Yes most jobs under President Bush and President Obama are low paying and mostly "dead end" jobs. I would point out two FACTS. Check these facts out, you will see I am stating the TRUTH. First under President Obama, more jobs have been created in two years than President Bush created in eight years. Second, it is difficult to create MANY "good" paying jobs with a future, when the big, and some not so big corporations ship most of these jobs overseas. What we, as a country, are left with are the minimum wage, service jobs in the public sector! It was bad under Bush and it is still bad under Obama. I wish I could post a good answer to this problem, but I have NO answer!

That's a lie.

Bush and republican congress 4.6% unemployment

Obama and democrat congresss 8.9% unemployment with a record 22 months over 9%

You cannot get unemployment down to 4.6% without creating jobs and you cannot get it up to 9% without destroying them.

Obvoiusly product of our liberal education system.

Valhalla Phil:

Maybe if you COULD READ AND COMPREHEND you would see I DID NOT say the unemployment percentage rate was lower under Obama. Try, really cconcentrate, and see what you come up with the second or third or fourth time you read my post! Also, the unemployment percentage rate WAS around 4.5% AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST TERM of GW Bush, GW was also left a SURPLUS in the budget by President Clinton. At the end of the second term, of GW, unemployment was well over 8.5%. So if your going to tell the TRUTH, try telling the WHOLE TRUTH. Please do a LITTLE research before you put your mouth in gear! In short, know what you are talking about! Finally, I'll give you a hint on what is in my post #5.4. I said that MORE JOBS were created in the first 2 years of Obama's Administration than were created during the ENTIRE 8 years of the GW Bush Presidency! NOW, DOES THAT HELP? NOW CAN YOU COMPREHEND? Talk about stup...!

Chandler W. - Dude - Obama does not control the oil prices.

1. Research who represents the Illinois Oil Refinery Lobby. hint: currently lives at the White House.

2. Research who "Mr. Corporate America" is. hints: Former Senator from Poor Coal State of Pennsylvania (another reason you will NEVER have alternative energy). Former Senator from Delaware. 2010 his people Legal Brief the US Supreme Court on Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions since before during (and still) he received nearly a Billion USDs from Corporations if the US Supreme Court Ruled otherwise the 2008-2009 Elections would have been Invalid, due to violations of the McCain (yes, that one) Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Law (Act). Since the US Supreme Court decriminalized the Law, 2011, he was fined $200,000.00 (slap on the wrist) for violations of the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Law (Act). Most people believe that he is not rich, he learned to "Off Shore" his assets (being "Mr. Corporate America") from the Corporations.

3. The Current President Obama US Policies pertaining to the "Middle East" have resulted in the loss of the Northern and Southern Iraqis Oil Field Contracts to the Chinese and the Russian Federation.

This is why before this Strategic Loss (easy to get high grade Iraqis Oil), the US and Foreign Oil Corporations were demanding more high risk deep water Oil Explorations. With President Obama pushing for the Oil Explorations of the North Atlantic (Atlantic Storms with Ice like the one that sunk the HMS Titanic). And then the other high risk deep water accident happened with BP. Many were demanding that Oil Exploration be conducted off the Coast of California, this was opposed by Nancy Pelosi when she was still the Speaker of the House.

Also do not even start with the "Mexicans", "Canadians", "Saudi Arabians", "Kuwaitis", etc. that have ever since before the First Gulf War and the Oil Sanctions been "Oil Laundrying" Iraqis Oil, as buying it cheap, claiming it is their own, then selling to the US at a huge profit. As defeated back then, the chemical tagging of Iraqis Oil, defeated for obvious reasons (irrefutable proof of Oil Laundrying of Iraqis Oil).

Currently with the Chinese sale (past tense) of Supersonic Anti Ship missiles to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran. The Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians now control the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman, as to why the Saudi Arabians and Kuwaitis are demanding that the US and or Israel do something as this now puts a choke hold on Saudi Arabian and Kuwaitis Oil Supertankers. These Chinese Supersonic Anti Ship Missiles were designed to kill USN Aircraft Carriers, evade all countermeasures, and evade all USN Screening Ships. Sold to the Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians by the Russian Federation to protect these Chinese Supersonic Anti Ship Missiles are the Russian Federation manufactured S-300 Anti Aircraft Missiles (Four per TEL) these are designed to intercept anything up to Fifth Generation Stealth Aircraft (not even made yet, F-35, with the Alternative Engine for the F-35, and the Israelis Modifications for the F-35 (capable of attacking these S-300s) cut by President Obama, 2011.). In 2011, the Chinese allowed North Korean ICBMs to be shipped thru Bejing China to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran, it is not known if Fundamentalist Islamic Iran has also purchased the North Korean Nuclear Warheads. To protect themselves against any potential Missile strikes Fundamentalist Islamic Iran has bought the Russian Federation S-400s Anti Ballistic Missiles (ABMs)(two per TEL), the same that the Russian Federation has deployed to their former USSR Republics to prevent any ICBM strikes on their supplies of Oil from these former USSR Republics.

Also pertaining to Iraq, as to why the Saudi Arabian Government, 2011, has stated that President Obama has given Iraq to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran on a golden platter.

For the Uninformed (spoon feeding time): The USSR (now Russian Federation) has been the longtime Ally of Fundamentalist Islamic Iran ever since the Iran Iraq Wars (1980-1988)(actually 1979-1989, I know since I was involved with the US Military Training Teams from Germany to Iraq, when Iraq was a US Ally). President Obama's following Bush's withdrawal time tables from Iraq regardless of the current events broadcasted to everyone the US lack of commitment to Iraq and took the pressure off of Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (were stuck between two major US Military Forces (Iraq, and here (Afghanistan), so now with the pressure off from Iraq they are now sending more of the below list to here (Afghanistan) instead of evenly distributing between both.).

Because of this, and current US Policies of this Administration the Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians have stepped up supplying Russian Federation and Chinese Manufactured Weapons and Technology to the Worldwide Islamic Military consisting of the Al Quada International Franchise, Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban, Pakistanis Taliban, Army of Islam (Gaza), Hamas Foreign Fighters (showing up worldwide), Chechen Foreign Fighters, Army of Islam (Pakistan), Muslim Brotherhood, Syrians, Egyptian Elements, Kurdistanis, etc..

With the US NATO Ally, Turkey attacking the Worldwide Islamic Military (aka Jihadists, Terrorist) Training Camps at Southern Turkey, Northern Iraq (Autonomous Kurdistanis Region), Syria, etc. the Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians opened more Worldwide Islamic Military Training Camps at Northwestern Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (why those US hikers had no business being there). As even before that the Kurdistanis were the Armed (men, women, children) Allies of Fundamentalist Islamic Iran and more than likely got paid money or given weapons for turning the US Hikers in to the Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians. If you do not life or death NEED (you will die if you do not go there) to be there, DO NOT go there, your WANTING to go there is not the same as NEED. Your "Feel Good" idealsof Rights, Idealistic Concepts, etc. only exist in the US, and the air conditioned offices of the UN. And for my own reasons based on experience do not say Rescue. As to conduct a RRR (Rescue, Recapture, Recovery (of your dead body) Operation is extremely high risk as the enemy knows the where, they just do not know the when or how, and because it takes decades to train us in US Military Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency/CounterInsurgency Operations, not just RRR Operations) we are not throw aways like the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces. My personal mission is to bring home your (the family I never had) husbands, wives, family, relatives, sons, daughters, etc. back to you alive. SO DON'T F**KING GO THERE, just because you "WANT" to.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Iranians were building their Underground Nuclear Facility at Northern Fundamentalist Islamic Iran also.

NOW DO ALL OF YOU SEE WHY THIS ADMINISTRATIONS POLICIES HAVE RESULTED IN YOUR HIGHER GAS PRICES.

scrambolo,

Just like the US Economy, US Jobs is not instant gratification. In order to create more Jobs you need more Businesses, in order to create more Businesses there has to be a need for those Products, Goods, or Services; in order to start a new Business the owner must find investors and or start up Capitol (money). Then there is the actual construction, hiring of employees, etc.

The ONLY way to get instant jobs, as Historically, President FDR found out after his "New Deals to the American People" failed to get the US out of the Great Depression was to: Nationalize all US Industry, Suspend all US Labor Union Activities (suspect as Italian Sympathizers and "Italian Organized Crime", later proven during the US Labor Union Strikes during the US Military Liberation of Sicily and Italy), find buyers for what was produced by the Nationalized US Industry (in this case War Materials to England before the US entered the War At Europe (an Act of War)), starting the Government Owned Government Operated (GOGO) and Government Owned Contractor Operated (GOCO) Plants and Factories to build more US Military Equipment to ship to England, to lessen the "burden" on US Citizens his Universal Health Care for All US Citizens by getting the US Insurance Corporations (also suspected of being "Italian Organized Crime") out of the Medical Profession this decreased the costs of Medical Treatments by 80%. With WWII being the final Cause the US got out of the Great Depression, as nearly starving to death US Citizens were fattened up (the War Department actually had a program, just like now except now it is to slim down the obese) after joining the US Military. Currently the US Military employs about a hundred million expensive US Civilians (that are NOT US Military, nor the extremely expensive US Contractors).

For the Uninformed. The 40 hour work week, minimum number of hours of sleep, the wages, the worker's rights (including women workers rights), work place safety, numbers of fire extinguishers (or fire department), Saturday off (Jewish "Religious" worship), Sunday off (Christian "Religious" worship), etc. were NOT because of the US Labor Unions (activities suspended by President FDR).

As the US Labor Unions of the Henry Ford Era were wiped out by the 1929-1939 Great Depression. During WWII the War Department conducted a Study to Decrease the numbers of CatastrophicAccidents at Ammunition Plants. Those were the recommendations of the War Department Study, that were implemented throughout the US since President FDR's Nationalized (Federalized) all US Industry. After the President FDR suspensions of all US Labor Union Activities, the "Italian Organized Crime" moved in and took over the US Labor Unions as a "Legit" Business, just like the US Insurance Corporations (like arsonist Tommy the Torch selling "Business Insurance" or "Homeowner's Insurance"). The "Italian Organized Crime" take over of the current US Labor Unions is documented in the books and movies, "On the Water Front", "Last Exit to Brooklyn", "F.I.S.T.", "Jimmy Hoffa", etc..

Ask yourself if President FDR knew this worked (what he did, above) based on what Hitler did to get Germany out of the Great Depression years before the US, why don't you and this administration.

I told you in other Newsvine posts about the CAUSES of "Outsourcing" and how to stop that. The simple answer (on the surface, as it is more complex) is to eliminate the Legalization of "Outsourcing" the Free Trade Agreements and Amendments.

Many people b!tch saying to buy American Vehicles without knowing that the "American" (name only) Vehicles are assembled at Mexico (Toluca) from parts made in China (Machau, Shanghai), then shipped to the US and the Made In US label is slapped on; these are the same people that do not know that the major expense for any business is employee payroll and benefits (70% or more), so when these US Jobs were Outsourced most of the majority of the business expenses are paying the payroll and benefits for Chinese and Mexicans (there are many Indians (from India) that run the computers for the Fully Automated Computerized Self Calibrating Robotics at the GM, Ford, Chrysler Parts Factories at Machau China and recently Shanghai, China), it is cheaper and of higher quality (lower acceptable Fault Tolerance, due to robotics using continuous self calibrating laser measurements) to have these parts built at China and shipped to the Mexican Assembly Plants and the US, than to have them built at the US (like Toyota found out about the US Corporation CTS Brake Pedals (CTS patent, not Toyota nor Denso)). hint to Toyota sue the sh!t out of US CTS Corporation, the legal precedence is Ford suing Firestone (Tires) with the Ford Explorer.

This is why when people make the uninformed claim that profits from buying the "Foreign" (actually more American) is going to Japan, Korea, etc. they are very uninformed as also most of these "Foreign" Automakers are separate Franchises (some even Incorporated at Delaware as US Entities/US Corporations), and like the example of the payroll and benefits (70% or more) is automatically remaining in the US by the "Foreign" Automakers employing US Citizens.

As stated by the WWII Generation of Japanese, that due to the US Military Governments of Japan after the War, the Marshall Plan (Europe) and the MacArthur Plan, Not US Civilian Government, the US Military Government Laws prevented the Japanese Children from starving to death, this is why many of these previous WWII Japanese Children survivors, now the current CEOs and Presidents, owe a debt of gratitude to the US Citizens, and invested heavily (not for profits) in the US to give back directly to the US Citizens as a matter of honor (old school Japanese concept of honor).

Unfortunately, they are dying off; and the current generation of Japanese trained in US Business Schools have stated in written position papers that it would be better to close the US "Investments" (losing money) and invest in India as even China is becoming too expensive. (a very long talk I had with the then head of Toyota at Huntsville, Alabama at his middle class house; I just happened to have been stationed at Redstone Arsenal at the time and he lectured about the teachings, as used by Toyota, of American W.E. Deming (the current Japanese International W.E. Deming Award, also a Japanese debt of gratitude). I had just gotten my MS Degree (Project Management and Integrated Systems Management, and started hearing about Lean Six Sigma (a later certification)) and showed an interest in what he said during his lecture, so we had a long talk later.).

David-475776:

THANKS, I needed that! Your above post is fast reading and easy to fully comprehend because it was so concise, critically written, did not ramble on, and did not contain too many subjects. Just straight to the point; the point on top of your HEAD! CONGRATULATIONS!

scrambolo,

All sarcasm aside.

As a US Military Officer, I have been sworn or affirmed directly and indirectly to protect the Citizens of the United States of America, by sworn or affirmed Oath to the US Consitution (not the same Oath as the Enlisted nor NCOs), my US Congressional US Military Officer's Commissioning Certificate, etc..

If this means going public to inform the public of matters concerning them or those members of my Command, that is not "Insubordination" according to the UCMJ. We have to know more about those Laws that concern us than those that might haul our arse into a Congressional Hearing.

Those laws being the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military: United Nations Rules, Local Laws, US Civil, UCMJ (including the morality Laws, like adultery, fornication (sex with anyone other than your spouse), fraternization, etc. (idiots think we are monks, fiars, nuns, or some such)).

david-475776,

David, I had only two problems with your post. They are MY problelms and not your. First, the post was complicated and long. Second, I did not comprehend and assimilate the info in your post because of the first problem I had. I also should have more patience with some opinions I see on Newsvine but geez you would think that some posters on this thread are "brain-dead". I did not feel that way with your post but I STILL don't get your point(s). Maybe I'm starting to get "brain-dead". I was hoping this particular discussion would center more on the unemployment topic and the most recent unemployment numbers. I know it is easy to get 'off-topic' and I also would say I appreciate your passion in your post, but could you possibly shorten your message and be a little more concise? THANKS! Have a GREAT weekend!

Not true, there are several trillion dollars that corporations are holding on to. Unemployment is supposed to be back around 5 to 6 % in 2 to 3 years.

Unemployment might recover by 2/3rds or so, but those jobs are a far cry from what they were and people were struggling then. These jobs will have to double so evryone can work 2 or more full time jobs - NFL going on strike? Hey, We will all be working and unable to watch anyway!

At breeze6839 - It is really easy to get all worked up and just assume that people aren't out there looking for work. I suggest if you are that worried about it that maybe you skip church this Sunday and go out to the shelters in your home town and start helping people find those jobs, and then you can stop your whining. I could care less about the NFL, really what is their problem?

Nope again. During the Great Depression US Unemployment was 25% or more. (Reason why the Henry Ford Era US Labor Unions were wiped out by the Great Depression, leading to the later take over of the current US Labor Unions by the "Italian Organized Crime". ).

The current US Unemployment using the same calculations (formulae) during the Great Depression is about 20% and rising. The more accurate calculations (formulae) is as stated by American for Israel at post#2.1:

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

With the ACTUAL US Unemployment being about 23% (Near Great Depression Era US Unemployment of 25%). It went up not down from last year's 21%.

This will NOT stop until (spoon feeding all of you researched solutions):

1. The Glass Steagall Acts are reinstated to prevent another 1907 Depression or 1929-1939 Great Depression. The Glass Steagall Acts made Illegal the Causes.

2. The elimination of the Free Trade Agreements and the Amendments that Legalized "Outsourcing" of US Jobs, US Manufacturing, and US Technology.

3. A larger scale version of President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback is conducted to apprehend and deport the over 23 Million Illegal Aliens in the US as even then known as a National Security Threat. The 60-100 Trillion USDs "Global Economic Crisis" hit them hard too so only one works and ten collect "Public Assistance" with Bankrupt Illegal Aliens Harbor States like California spending over $10 Billion USDs a year on US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance for Illegal Aliens of their $85 Billion USDs yearly Budget (2009, the new 2010 State of California Government statistics are still being collated, it is expected to be now over $15 to $20 Billion per year spent on US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance for Illegal Aliens, the Public Assistance spent does not include Public Housing, Medical Costs, etc. provided at US Taxpayer expense to Illegal Aliens. note to the uninformed the defeat of California Propostition 187 set the legal precedence for all States to require States to provide US Taxpayer paid Public Assistance to Illegal Aliens.).

All of you know what the Oldest Service Industry (Oldest Profession) is. For those that do not know the second oldest is Retail Sales (as you sell yourself to the customers to gain their trust). So the US is becoming a "Service" Industry. Hmmmm. LOL.

Breeze, I thought you were suspended for a week. I was enjoying the silence...for a while.

Clinton and republican congress 4.2% unemployment

Bush and republican congress 4.6% unemployment

Obama and democrat congress 8.9% unemployment with a record 22 months above 9%

It is democrats that ruined this economy and no amount of leftist propaganda can change that.

sfilutze,

You are missing the whole point (The Causes) and focusing on the Symptoms.

At post# 6.4, I listed the Causes of what is happening to you (Effects, Symptoms). Including why you might lose your home ("Mortgage Crisis").

I also told you about the REAL Universal Health Care For All US Citizens of President FDR, that eliminated the Insurance Corporations from the Medical Profession. What I did not tell you is that the last vestiage of this is what US Congress gets for $42 per month is what Senator Kennedy wanted for all US Citizens (like he was getting, Unlimited Medical Treatments for $42 per month):

Decreases cost 80% (last part of video 1:40) by Doctor David Ores, New York.1:45

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5247963n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

You use what Works not reinvent the wheel. Reinventing the wheel cost money that no one has.

Instead of doing what worked, you got:

President Obama's Closed Door White House meetings before the Health Care Reform was introduced:

Unlikely ally of health care reform: business
Insurers, drug companies came on board early and may profit from it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35989945/ns/business-us_business/

In the Health Care Reform Law, section on potential new Revenues. As new profits due to the Health Care Reform Law: $67 Billion USDs for the Insurance Industry, $20 Billion USDs for the Medicial Device Industry, $23 Billion USDs for the Pharmaschutical Industry. This is why it will cost the US Citizens $1.7 Trillion USDs (not adjusted for Inflation), closer to $2.1 Trillion USDs.

President Obama also stated his knowledge on Face the Nation, September 20, 2009, that the US Insurance Corporations that manage Medicare are padding their costs and making profits of $17 Billion USDs to $18 Billion USDs per year. And did NOTHING to get the US Insurance Corporations out of Medicare. This is why the Uninformed keep using Medicare as a failure of US Government Management without knowing that it is the US Insurance Corporations that mismanage Medicare. Again the US Insurance Corporations History is being one of many "Legit" Businesses of the "Italian Organized Crime".

You can read the entire President Obama Interview from Face the Nation, September 20, 2009 here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/20/ftn/main5324077.shtml

Just look at what he said then, and what he has back pedaled on now.

You keep mentioning the Koch Brothers, just like all the other Demoncraps, as if they are really something that they are not. Unlike, "Mr. Corporate America" that I mentioned at post # 5.17 paragraph 2., who's major campaign contributors and constituents are:

(List from 2005) Delaware: Freddie Mac, Fanny Mae, Bank of America, Wilmington Trust, First USA / Bank One / JPMorgan Chase, AIG, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Barclays plc, GM, Chrysler, Wachovia, ExxonMobil, Chevron, ISDA, and those States with Corporations Incorporated at Delaware.

Over 50% of US publicly-traded corporations and 60% of the Fortune 500 companies are incorporated in Delaware;[1] the state's attractiveness as a corporate haven is largely due to its business-friendly corporation law. Franchise taxes on Delaware corporations supply about one-fifth of its state revenue.[2]

1. Delaware Division of Corporations
2. Delaware Fiscal Notebook - State General Fund Revenues by Category

The list above is important because in order to obtain January 2009 Electoral College Votes in time the Democratic Controlled Congress had to pass the November December 2008 Billion USD Bailouts as "Time Sensitive" (no Public Scrutiny). This is why the Electoral College must be eliminated.

As the Billion USDs Bailouts did not pay for the 60-100 Trillion USDs "Global Economic Crisis" caused by the removal of the Glass Steagall Acts. If nothing is done to reinstate the Glass Steagall Acts another "Crisis" will occur of $54.6 Trillion USDs with the US going into something that is worse than the Great Depression, that I named a "Supernova Depression" after updating, 2009, my 1990s Research Paper to US Government.

That Demoncrap Koch Brothers Conspiracy Theory is nothing compared to the Reality of one of the most influential on "Mr. Corporate America's" list above. As one on that list controls the Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction (that can topple Government and Nations). You can start by reading these (all pages)

The Bet That Blew Up Wall Street (four pages)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/60minutes/main4546199.shtml?tag=currentVideoInfo;segmentTitle

A Look At Wall Street's Shadow Market (four pages)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/05/60minutes/main4502454.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;1

Financial WMDs (Video)

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5274961n&tag=mncol;lst;1

This is why the Glass Steagall Acts must be reinstated.

add to post# 7.2.

And do you know why nothing is being done, simple there is an organization that will stop anyone from making Trillion of USDs of a possible $643 Trillion USDs. And because they are a Major Campaign Contributor to "Mr. Corporate America" you think he is going to cut off his own testicles. This Organization is so strong many are also the Private Banks and Financial Institutions of the Federal Reserve.

To spoon feed you as to prove that this is not a Conspiracy Theory like your Demoncrap Koch Brothers Conspiracy Theory. Click on the Link Below:

http://www.isda.org/

On this page, click on "Membership" in the left column.

On the next page click on "Current list of ISDA Members". near the center of the page. Read all 9 pages. Did you notice that the ISDA is also one of "Mr.Corporate America's" major campaign contributor and constituents on my list from 2005 above middle of post #7.2.

So unlike your Demoncraptic Party Koch Brothers Conspiracy Theory. What you are seeing is NOT a conspiracy but a well executed plan for those people listed to make a possible $643 Trillion USDs. This is all "Legal" ever since the removal of the Glass Steagall Acts.

By the way do you think these people will not hire a few hundred "Problem Solvers" for say a Million USDs a each to make their "Problems" disappear so that they can continue to make Trillions of USDs. Investing a few hundred Million USDs to make profits of Trillions USDs is a pretty good investment. Well, welcome to the Real World.

You can keep chasing your tail with Demoncraptic Party Koch Brothers Conspiracy Theories while the real people rape pillage and burn you.

Again reinstate the Glass Steagall Acts to make their Activities Illegal again. The US Economy will do a 180. The Chinese retained their version of the Glass Steagall Acts as to why they are immune.

Contact President:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

Contact Congress (both Houses)

http://www.contactingthecongress.org/

LOL, your way off course.

The Republicans would not pass a bill to stop giving government subsidies to the oil companies.

Start there.

Yet another idiotic idea. Anything you hit the oil companies with gets added directly to the pump price. Do you really want gas to go to $8/gal?

It is Obama that is blocking any new drilling that is causing this mess. The market is betting on shortages going forward because of the recovery. Those shortages could be alleviated if we were allowed to drill. So far Obama has only approved one new permit, ONE!

I know you hate the free market, but it IS supply and demand. We can't do much about world demand but we CAN do something about supply.

So, you have your hair on fire over the debt/deficit and demand the government stop spending but you want them to spend away so you don't have to pay for higher gas? What exactly is it you want? You're contrdicting yourself all over the place.

We are saving drilling here in the US as a last resort because it will much easier to protect that precious energy source when the last of it is on our soil. We are exhausting the rest of the World's reserves first. Duh! The economy is still crap along with the jobs market and it is going nowhere fast. Please stop the repub Dem finger pointing; it is really sickening that you people don't understand they are both to blame for the policies we have in place and the policies that got us where we are.

Crystal 5,

Finally, someone that gets it (Absolutely no sarcasm intended).

In my 1990s Research Paper to US Government (over 2,000 pages, not including the appendices, references, etc. updated 1993, and 2009) I stated the researched solutions to Oil.

No matter how much I dislike Wikipedia, this will give you one of the many solutions from my 1990s Research Paper to US Government and basic information (you can do the detailed research yourself):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

To the naysayers that say this will not work in the US, click on the photos of the cars to the right, and look at the brand names (so do not say the "US Automakers cannot do this, as they already have had this technology successfully implemented (manufactured) for the longest time).

This solution is not the "Magic Bullet" cure all. This solution along with the other solutions mentioned in my 1990 Research Paper to US Government must be implemented to get the US "Energy Independent" and away from Middle East Oil (my alterior motive was to get my arse out of the Middle East as being involved as a US Military Officer with the Middle East since the 1980s).

mick dundee-921081 - the oil dudes are shoving the country into a depression as fast as they can folks i dont know if they could do it any faster do you?

Do you even know the Laws that were written to prevent another 1907 Depression, and 1929-1939 Great Depression. And that they were eliminated.

Knew you did not.

Read posts# 7.2 and 7.3.

As far as the Oil. Read posts # 5.18 and 8.6.

Talk to Obama and his buddy Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE, Obama's hand picked job creation leader and also one of the biggest offenders of shutting down GE factories in America and shipping them off to Mexico, along with America jobs, all for a profit, but he's Obama's buddy. You know why? He gives Obama campaign money. You have a problem with that? Didn't think so.

I hear Obama's going to make Bernie Madoff the head of S.E.C. next.

He's going to have to ship a helluva lot of jobs overseas before he catches up to Chuckie and Davie Koch, the Kochconspirators against America.

Hey Landoran, what is a CEO doing hanging out with a "socialist"? Does Obama hate business to make a profit or not? Maybe you would prefer Obama to appoint a "socialist" to be the job creation leader instead of a CEO?

And anyway, I can't criticize Immelt too much for doing what all the other corporations have done for the last 10 years. At least, if Immelt is going to ship the jobs somewhere, I'm glad he is shipping them to Mexico rather than China. If the Mexicans have jobs, they aren't sneaking into the U.S. We don't have too much of a problem of Chinese sneaking into the U.S. but that's where all the other jobs have gone. Look at the shelves in your local Wal-Mart.

Think its bad now wait untill Obama raises corporate taxes,all the companies will go offshore.

Gee thanks for not trying to defend Obama and Jeffrey Immelt and deflecting to the Koch brothers...ha, ha, ha

O.k. if we do it, just not you.

You have a problem with people and companies shipping jobs overseas, as long as their "Republican", but if you're a liberal or Democrat....ship away.

You have no principles or character Yes We Can, you're just another Obama loser zombie.

GE is sucking up because they want the cap and trade to go through, hello!

Think its bad now wait untill Obama raises corporate taxes,all the companies will go offshore.

Then we have nothing to fear, JC ~ because presidents do not raise taxes. Congress does. Further, all fiscal legislation is initiated in the House where Republicans hold a majority. So if taxes get raised, it will be because the GOP initiated it. You really need to pre-flight these things before you try to take off in them. There will be fewer crashes and burnings.

Jim who signs the final bill,and does the stupid things that lead to higher taxes ?? If the President didn't have anything to do with it we wouldn't have a President what purpose would he or she serve ??

"He's going to have to ship a helluva lot of jobs overseas before he catches up to Chuckie and Davie Koch, the Kochconspirators against America"

Clinton and republican congress 4.2% unemplolyment

Bush and republican congress 4.6% unemployment

Obama and democrat congress 8.9% with a record 22 months above 9%

Facts trump leftist propaganda every time.

So JC, let me get this straight,if taxes get raised on business now it's Obama's fault because he signs the bill. But when Bush was signing all those bills it was the democrats in congress's fault? Do i have your double standard right?

When Obama signs tax increases that the democrats in congress write, yes it is his fault. He could veto them and reign in his minions. If he were fighting a republican congress that's a different story but he IS supposed to be a leader, at least the leader of his party.

ROTFLMAO.

I already told all of you the current Administration's relationships to Corporations at post# 5.17 paragraphs numbered 1. and 2..

Yes We Can-403290,

Read posts # 7.2 and 7.3 about your Demoncrap Koch Brothers Conspiracy Theories.

Or perhaps you should grasp what the debt and deficit are and understand we can no longer print money endlessly and have to make HUGE cuts. The problems go back for decades with both DEMS and REPS not caring about spending since their only goal was/is to get re-elected by their flock of sheep. Perhaps the 47% of Americans that don't pay Federal Income tax can step up to the plate and kick in SOMETHING, anything! But I'm sure you blame the rich people who get their big tax breaks yet STILL foot the bill for the whining complaining 47% who are either too lazy or too stupid to better their lives.

"Public Unions" Is the issue you know the ones that get paid by tax payers. Everything gets so twisted now days lol.States have to get out of Debt the process has to start at the root of the problem.Here in Houston I saw a city crew working on one stop light there were 4 bucket trucks and 6 utility trucks fully manned,but yet only one man in a bucket was working on the light all the others were watching.Normal companies would not tolerate that if they did they would be broke just like all of our states are getting

Sure you did. And I bet every time you go to the grocery store you are in line behind people buying beer and steak with food stams too aren't you?

If only the American people would vote to raise the retirements of the Retired Coast Guard then and only then will the picture get brighter. ;-)

john55fan:

Ya know John, OUR president's name is Barack Obama! Your calling him names is just a sign that you either don't believe in democracy and free elections or that you are just an ignorant 'small' person! Which is closer to the truth?

Yea John lets have some respect for our Muslim President its "Barrack Hussein Obama"LQQK up the origin of his name.You Obamaites really make me sick to my stomach.

Move then. There must be some island somewhere to send all the closed minded, ill informed, ignorant people.

I'm not moving because of a bunch of idiots that want to give this Country away,I served in the Military and have many relatives that fought and died for this Country.When all hell breaks loose I will be there along with many other Americans that knows what is taking place.Where will you be ?? Hiding under your bed ??

JC-

well saId-bravo!

I'm always amused when people make statements about moving out of the country to make a living. Don't you know that the U.S. is the only country with open borders? Remember that when you lose your job to foreigners.

Amen JC.

Ahhh so JC you and many of your family members have been living of taxpayer money. Now I get what you are.

Shellie your comment makes no sense at all when I was in the Military I made .25 cents an hour,my relatives made less a died fighting for Old Glory and for what ?? For the likes of you,what a shame,and a waste they could have sit on thier azzes untill we became Germany or Japan.

All you Obamaites keep one thing in mind,History always repeats itself,only one problem when a worthy opponent challenges the USA next who will fight the war ?? All the intitlement freaks we have now ?? I doubt it.All the oldtimers that kept this Country going and developed it are almost all gone.WE ARE IN DEEP DO DO FOLKS !!! Not taking away from our exsisting troops it just they won't be able to do it on thier own it will take a whole United Country as it did in the past.The only thing folks care about nowdays is crap like Brett Farves penis pics or what color thong Britteny Spears is wearing ect. lol.

JC:

There are many, of which I am one, who voted for and ELECTED our current president and ALSO served honorably in this country's military. My father was killed in WWII so please don't tell me how many of your relatives bled for this country. I would think that if anything you would show RESPECT for OUR president and respect for ALL Americans who honorably served their country! I didn't even get to see or know my dad. Maybe you will give that some thought!

Thank you JC for protecting my freedom. I could never do that for a job, help these ungrateful people.

scrambolo,

UNINFORMED. YOU did not elect anyone with your "Popular" Vote.

The Electoral College Votes determine the President and the Vice President Of the United States of America.

The records of the Founding Fathers indicate the arguement that "the Common man was too ignorant of those matters to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, the President and Vice President". So they established the Electoral College.

And it seems that the Founding Fathers were unfortunely correct based on your post.

All real Leaders (especially those in the US Military, Real Leadership is not taught in the US Civilian world) know that Respect is Earned, not Given.

And your b!tch said, "All those returning from the Wars must be considered as possible Homegrown Domestic Terrorists". As Guilty until proven innocent. This was when they were trying to support and pass H.R.1955 and S.1959 as sponsored and supported by Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats.

You have to give Respect to get Respect.

David-475776,

YES, I agree the Electoral College has the final vote on the President an V.P However, and I may be wrong, the Electoral College generally will vote in a manner consistent with the popular vote. Don't jump out of your chair now, I know there have been and probably will be EXCEPTIONS. I just hope it NEVER will come down to the Supreme Court again! As for the founding fathers being right, well, I could debate either side of that arguement. The FINAL part of my reply, to you, is this. NOWHERE in any of my posts on this thread did I memtion anything about returning soldiers or terrorist. I think you have me confused with another poster on that matter. My post about RESPECT for ALL our military stands! Anyone who serves their country and accepts the fact that they may have to put their life on the line (put in harms way), including you, commands my respect. Thanks, for pointing out my error on the electoral college.

Were those higher paying jobs with the govt?

No, if you're employed right now and have remained employed through this downturn, most companies see you as a worker worth hiring. Therefore, they are willing to pay more for you.

Rehiring is about confidence in the market, which has been absent since 2008.

And which market is that?

Ah, the job market and the economy.

Oh, sorry. Did you want to whine, bitch, cry and moan about the stock market and all the evil rich scumbags who have more than you..... Boo-hoo.

Liberal mentality= "You don't deserve, what I don't have".

See employers just don't hire people for sh!ts and giggles. They hire people because they have a need for labor to produce their products, goods or services. Employers aren't going to hire if they don't think they'll make back the money they spend on labor and turn a profit. Which is why they wait until they're confident the economic market will sustain rehiring and producing more of their product.

You retards would know this if you ever ran or owned a business, instead of sitting around like the losers you are waiting for Conservatives to open a business and give you a job, just so you can bitch about the wage.

I'm kidding myself to think you parasites could ever understand business economics, because it's not based on "feelings" and "emotions".

Everyone has a part to play in our financial downturn, everyone: Liberals, Conservatives, Banks, Wall Street, rich & poor.

Landoran (other than the more abrasive side of his post) is correct. I think it is more than that however, what will make a difference is if we act as if we are literally under attack from an enemy and display some altruism to start (JFK words come to mind here).

We will have to have patience nothing this big gets turned around in an instant. We will have to understand that life and living in this US has and will change, we will have to lower our standard of living (this is not to say we live in proverty) if we are going to compete on the world stage. Unions will have to give up their demands for secure jobs, wonderful guaranteed benefits, high pay and performance on the job counts. Publicly held corporations will have to stop paying their CEOs these enormous salaries and performance in the job is what it is all about. Insurance companies will have to stop sticking it to the population with their innovative scams. All you lazy folks who expect society to take care of you have to get up off your butts and look harder for work … take what you can. Politicians, you are not elected to impose your perosnal thoughts and ideas on the electorate, it is the majority opinion that counts figure it out.

Our dysfunctional nature will have to stop, our politicians reflect our nature and nothing gets done … a dysfunctional government for a dysfunctional people. I am sure this is not exciting enough for posts like this.

abrasive?...me?....nah

Would it surprise you to learn that I'm a motivational speaker?

Just kidding...

LOL, it would not surprise me.

dave-2000818,

See post # 7.2 about your Health Care Reform.

There's a sucker born every minute - P. T. Barnum

When since did the government (Obama) create jobs in construction or any other private sector work? They can create jobs in the public sector but as you should see we can't afford it. This is a supply and demand issue and if there is a glut of houses out there where are going with construction?

So realistically what is it you expect politiicans to do, really.

Yea Right - So realistically what is it you expect politiicans to do, really.

Post # 6.4. and 8.6.

Seriously, if a guy with a fouth grade education can make Brazil prosper.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7137880n&tag=mncol;lst;6

Dream on, Bushie.

There is little doubt that the tax extension was/is a big help here. Businesses need to know their costs in advance. They aren't in the habit of hiring people if they can't afford them. Only government does that.

Are businesses so slow and stupid that it took them ten years to figure out they were paying the lowest taxes since Dwight Eisenhower was president?

That dog is too old to hunt.

Your response makes ZERO sense. We are not in 1950, we are in 2011. The issue is not what the tax is, it is where it was going before Obama "saw the light", on Nov 2.

In case you didn't notice, businesses have been struggling since the democrats trashed the economy and called profits evil. The last thing they needed was a huge Obama tax hike.

Now that funny Phil since business has been raking in record profits for quite a while now. Are you really that dense?

And republicans has unemployment down to 4.6% before the democrats took over congress. Everybody was working! Everybody was taking home a paycheck.

The difference is, under republican rule everybody was making money, now only wall street, banks, and government workers are getting government attention while millions are out of work.

Are YOU reallly that dense?

Shellie-657180 - Now that funny Phil since business has been raking in record profits for quite a while now.

It is clearly evident that you never owned a Business. Do you even know the percentages of were the Profits are spent.

Knew you did not.

Are you really that dense?

you be the first to sign up!you can be the drafts poster child. how's that?

Been there and done that ..this time it should be all those rich republicans sons and daughters who whine like pups that are too lazy to get a job

Maybe you should start with Democrats, since Nancy Pelosi was born in to wealth and the top 4 richest Senators are Democrats and 8 out of the top 15 richest are also Democrats, but you're o.k. with their wealth right?

You have a problem with giving them huge tax breaks and look no further than your own party..... I was against the tax breaks for the rich how about you? Spin your parties agenda for us and the repubs give away more tax money to their campaign donars so they out spend the opponent....and still don't win

Bring back the draft you will stop whining

Bring back the draft and the deficit problems will be solved, because the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will be over within 6 months. The leisure class is not going to pull their kids out of Princeton and Yale to learn how to shoot an M4. That's for kids from the other side of the tracks, the ones who have to risk their lives to go to college.

Nope, I don't begrudge people for their success in life.

Remember the Bush tax cuts were for EVERYONE.

I'm sorry, don't you lefties always cry for equality?

Oh, sorry that's right. It's not equal when someone has more money than you.

Stop being so jealous of rich people, you might actually enjoy the life you have, but probably not, because libs and Democrats are only happy when they're miserable or making other people miserable.

Correct on many counts besides they can earn a paycheck instead of being on food stamps or unemployment..make cowards into men..I only hire vets disabled or not they deserve a job not these repub sheep whose daddy buys them everything and sit around and whine about having to get a job

well if you been there done that, why not do it again?you be the first to sign up, then let us know how it feels to be a low paid lackey,at this time in history.hell while you're at it why don't you campaign to bring back slavery? there's not much difference between the two.

yup insanity prevails at an all time high in this country, and why am i not surprised.unfricken believable.

landoran

So union workers and teachers and firemen don't deserve to have success in life ? Repubs sure are stepping on the success of union workers aren't they and trying to balance the budget on the backs of workers that make a whole 50 grand a year repubs are derranged and complete idiots...when you start making sense then write something but pull your foot out of your mouth first....and use both of those brain cells

Hypocrite much?

the dierespect to veterans is amazing and can still shoot your ass easily from 300 yards away while your running ..ass wipe

I am almost sixty and can still whip your ass and besides when are YOU going to learn to stand up for yourself instead of letting your daddy pay your way

that is the problem of today the lack of respect is astounishing ....untill you come face to face with repubs and they cry like Bohner..lmao

"Public Unions" Is the issue you know the ones that get paid by tax payers. Everything gets so twisted now days lol.States have to get out of Debt the process has to start at the root of the problem.Here in Houston I saw a city crew working on one stop light there were 4 bucket trucks and 6 utility trucks fully manned,but yet only one man in a bucket was working on the light all the others were watching.Normal companies would not tolerate that if they did they would be broke just like all of our states are getting.

keepertrout,

What medications are you on?

Do you have discussion in your own mind, then attack people on the subject you were just discussing with yourself?

Where did I say union workers, teachers and fireman don't deserve success?

Where do you get the idea I don't pay my own way in life? My daddy and mommy don't and haven't for over 20 years.

the dierespect to veterans is amazing and can still shoot your ass easily from 300 yards away while your running ..ass wipe

Where did Veterans come up? You're off the reservation.

My grandfather was a member of the 101st Airborne Division WWII and my father was Army Infantry. Both taught me how to shoot since I was 8 yrs old, beside hand to hand combat.

So I don't disrespect Veterans, but since you show zero lack of honor and feel you need to threaten people with shooting them, I doubt you ever served.

I am so tired of hearing the bitching about rich people, yea they could do more but the only way you will get rid of rich people is to move form capitalism to communism and since communism does not flourish well (or at all) in a democratic society get rid if that too.

I am far form being rich so there is no special supprot here but most of you who bitch about them would quickly act like them (if in fact you find anything bad about them) if you were to suddenly become rich.

keepertrout,

So much for your Demoncraptic Party Ideal of equality. As the Tax Cuts were for everyone.

And the number one richest person in the US as "Mr Corporate America" is not a Repugnant nor an In Depends (Adult Diapers). He is a Demoncrap.

The recession has been over for some time for the investor class. They make their money no matter how bad unemployment gets in the U.S., because their preferred labor force lives in India and China.

And soon cheap labor will be in the U. S. Just ask the Governors who want to abolish collective bargaining and minimum wage.

I hate to tell you, Chandler, but cheap labor will be a necessity in the US if we want to compete in the current world (and we have no choice but to do so). It is ludicrous to think that employers will pay a minimum of $7.00-plus an hour for even unskilled labor when they can buy it abroad for $7.00 a day (which is often a 10-hour or more day). The quality of their work may not be up to our standards, but so long as there is a market for their goods, it doesn't have to be and obviously there is a market else WalMart would not be setting new records even in a recession. Its going to be a tough adjustment for a lot of people.

The quality of work is a matter of specification & requiremnets we give them. My company sends work to China and Vietnam and they provide high quality products for 50% less. We don't do business with comapnies in those countries that use child labor, show abusive practices or discriminatory behavior, this is part of our written requirements. We conduct Quality Business Reviews with them and have the ability to talk with their employees in private.

Our living standards will have to be reduced and as such our pay while at the same time I see foreign living standards rising. This is the re-leveling that has to happen before we see substantial work coming back to the US. It is hapenning whether we like it or not but the sooner the better.

House prices are going to have to drop a LOT more to be able to live on $7.00 per hour. Everything else will have to drop in price also. The other countries say they can't survive without running an imbalance in trade. We're right there with them now. If the prices of things drop in proportion to the wages here, it will be okay.

Yea Right - The quality of work is a matter of specification & requiremnets we give them. My company sends work to China and Vietnam and they provide high quality products for 50% less.

Since you do that, you must know about Acceptable Fault Tolerances and why the US cannot compete. I am tired of explaining that, from my experience and US Military Officer Training With Industry (TWI) with GM.

Yeah we can borrow more money from China and not put it on the books so the repubs look like they are actually doing something FOR america instead against America...haven't had enough BS from the repubs..just keep being dumbed down we will fianally hit depression that the repubs are aiming for ..all for political gain and not what is best for the country

You mean kind of like Obummer not adding in the borrowed money for the interest on the national debt to make it look like we are only spending 1.6 trillion borrowed money than we take in this year IDIOTS!!! Oh and how we are still in the same 2 wars you liberals complain about but I guess its okay when the Liberal media ignores them for this POS...Hyprocracy and Chaos at its finest SHEEEZZZ...

Bush/republican deficits averaged $230 billion

Obama/democrat deficits are averaging over $1.3 trillion.

No contest.

Ansewered my own question about Phil. yes, you really are that dense.

All the insults and personal attacks will not erase the facts.

Meanwhile this congress and administration will continue to kick the can of unfathomable debt down the road for the next poor slob crazy enough to seek public office.

Mmm, no they won't. They will make draconian cuts in 12% of the budget, which will dramatically increase unemployment without making a dent in the deficit.

They will make draconian cuts in 12% of the budget, which will dramatically increase unemployment without making a dent in the deficit.

The March 1 GAO report makes this argument just nonsense.