Yeah, mdsj, you have plenty of better things to worry about - like a state that's completely, hopelessly broke, and leaders who are utterly clueless as to how to fix the situation. But who am I to doubt you potheads, maybe you can generate enough revenue selling weed to each other to keep all those giveaway programs for illegals immigrants solvent.

spider- so if people who smoke pot are potheads, what do we call the people who visit the millions of bars or go home and have a glass or three of wine or a few beers to relax after work? Really spider - why the derogatory label?

spider - can I be pro legalization AND anti over-abused give away programs? pleeeeease

I agree with you mdsj

people who smoke pot always come up with really cool ideas and so i think the more pot smokers there are in california the more likely they are to solve the states financial problems.

the only problem is follow through.

Agreed -- couldn't have said it better.

We should call people who drink alcohol "Boozeheads".

The ONLY reason that marijuana is being legalized is because the partnership of government and Megabuck Monstrocorp has realized there is more profit selling drugs than in fighting drug use.

The benefits of marijuana are legion, and America could have saved billions upon billions of dollars by not pretending to fight an unwinnable war. Law enforcement has been corrupted, our prisons filled, and drug dealers and cartels reap untaxed profits.

Now, the Titans of Greed want in on the party, and that is the ONLY reason we are legalizing this WHOLLY NATURAL pharmaceutical and recreational drug. It is ALWAYS about money.

I wonder how men who get high with their friends go home and beat up their wives/girlfriends. I'm guessing most head to the fridge, stuff their faces and fall asleep while staring at the tv.

Hemlock is also wholly natural.

Spider:

And Hemlock has beneficial uses too. Got any other non sequiturs?

State Laws superceding Federal Laws? Isn't the Federal Government "taking on" Arizona State Laws over immigration, yet, ignoring California and other states who have "legalized" pot?

Something is amiss here!

Either Federal Laws are enforced or not? Which is it? Obama Adminstration = hypocrites and liars!

State laws do not supercede fereal laws. And The federal government is not "taking on" Arizona. The law is being scrutinozed to ensure that it is not infringing on anyones civil rights. California, as well as nine other states had decriminalized marijuana once, and then President Nixon ,added marijuana to the law he signed into act making it illegal.

When pot's legal, everybody who wants it will grow it ('cause it's a weed and can grow anywhere) so no taxes will be collected. Since pot will become ubiquitous among users, the price of pot will plummet--great for users, not so great for growers and distributors like the US Government. Or the Mexican drug cartels

The war on drugs failed because it was a war on drugs and not drug users. If being caught with pot was a mandatory death sentence, there would very few people willing to try it.

Frederico those people are called alcoholics.

I totally agree, I am not a pot smoker , but I have always said reap the rewards of legalizing it. Especially in this economy. The war on drugs cost way to much money that we as taxpayers pay for. It's no worse than alcohol!

I don't smoke pot but it is time to legalize it. You are not stopping it and are just making the Cartels wealthy. But then they will turn to coke or crack, not go away. But yes it is so easy to grow I don't think it will generate much tax down the road unless they do something like cigarettes. You can't have them without a tax stamp even as an end user. Do it just to free up the Fed funds used to fight it and focus on the more serious crimes like Gov. theft.

Kerry Hawkins: alcoholics is a term reserved for people addicted to alcohol - I'm talking about the rest of the recreational drinkers. If a casual pot smoker is a "pothead" there shouls be a term for the millions of casual drinkers.

Being a recreational drinker, usually means one is a "drunk" to most potheads!

I can't think of a better way, next to bringing back all outsourced American jobs, to get middle class Americans back to work, zero out the federal deficit, and clean out our jails. I will NEVER understand how we can call marijuana evil compared to alcohol. When was the last time you heard about a marijuana related fatal car crash? I tell you when - never. But alcohol related fatal car crashes - at least once a week where I live.

For those of you naysayers who think marijuana is the scourage of the devil, you're kidding yourselves. That's alcohol.

I have always head people who drink referred to as Alkies!

im-in-hell,
You must be high. How many smokers do you know that grow their tobacco? How many beer drinkers brew their own beer? Per the article, even with the $50 per once tax a joint is still only a $1.50. The economics of growing your own weed just isn't there, after you figure the time you've spent growing and harvesting weed, then waiting to harvest your next batch, when it can be mass produced. You'll probably have the same minority of entuthiasts who brew there own beer (which I believe there is a limit to how much you can brew) and grow there own weed.

Federico,
How about drunks, lushes, whinos, alcoholics...?

This would be a great business opportunity for our infamous government to get into too! They would screw this up too without getting high!

I'm not high, not now, not ever. I know a few drinkers that brew their own beer or make mead and wine. I don't know anybody who grows tobacco cause it won't grow around here. Marijuana, however can grow indoors quite well and grows outside here real well, just like most places here in the US.

To grow pot here, throw some seeds in the yard, water it 3 times a week and mow it once in a while. Doesn't take any brains at all--perfect for a pot smoker.

Already a right wing cheap shot for Obama on this discussion! So Tea Partyers, are you drinking your tea or smoking it???!!!

Here in California, illegal marijuana is alike the 1920's and prohibition. So they legalized alcoholic beverages again and created laws about drunk driving and public intoxication/disorderly conduct. But in this case, driving under the influence of heavy use should be illegal, and ..... do you call being quiet, in your own world and munching Doritos disorderly conduct?

There are places in Mendocino County, CA. and elsewhere that people can walk down the street smoking pot and no one will even turn around. It only gets to be a problem because of the Mexican drug cartels coming up into California and acting like thugs or hard core American dealers. The real drug threats are methamphetamine, cocaine and heroin. Law enforcement cannot catch up to dealing with the big three. The prisons are over crowded and taxpayers cannot afford to have marijuana users continue to be incarcerated. Might as well legalize it and tax it for state revenue. It would bring in hundreds of billions of extra dollars.

I would rather see people moderately using marijuana like they have done in the Netherlands and Alaska instead of on drunken binges, on meth, coke, smack or oxycontin

I agree with you mds Government has been making way to much on the sell of drugs that is why they don't want it legal, robbing most people blind and the rest just robbing them, the why Government has always robbed us, who don't work for DOC.Social services, Judges, and public pretenders , or the like. Government services that are forced on us and payed by us.

Well Now -

My independent research indicates that a good quality once (28.3 grams) sells for from $340 to $420 (hydro). If we can allow people to knock this price down to the stated $40 per once in the article we will have taken the legs right from under the Billion upon Billions of dollars the American taxpayers is saddled with in this rip off of the taxpayers. The leaches that prey on victim-less crimes will have to find real work that pays the $60,000 and upwards of $100,000 per year to save us from people that are for the most part minding their own business and have no intention of inflicting harm on society. These sadistic parasites will have to find real work, such a pity. If California can realize Billions in tax or income to the state all the better. If I can ever find a way to grow hydroponic high quality plants I will save a bundle. These licensed pot dispensaries are another rip-off of the American people, when does the RIP-OFF ever stop? I stopped with the herb because as one of the posters indicated I don't know what herbicides are being used along with the over-all safety of what I used to pay a pretty dollar for. I enjoy my health to much to keep myself in the danger zone so I quit, but, if I could grow my own I would probably do so and therefore know the dangers I am subject to. I hope I am making sense because I quit many years ago and I am not up to date on the quality and safety of today's street product. I seriously doubt anyone knows the safety of what they are buying from the street even in todays street market. Think about it, what pesticides are these fools using? You don't know do you? Do you really think these money mongers care about someone they will never see or know in their lives? Until I can grow my own or can purchase from a "reliable honest grower, organic" I value my health to much to gamble with some wacked out grower doing meth on the side that is growing my herb. To each their own, I have children and grandchildren I want to see grow and prosper and not throw my health away gambling that my provider has my best interest (health) at heart. Please, do you really think the growers are thinking of your health and the products safety? I don't. Allow me to grow one or two plants per year with no retail sales allowed and then I will be on board. At worst let the government controlled growers produce safe herbat a reasonable price and I may come back and help out our economy. That would be a win win as far as I can see. This is doable and would clear the way to jail real criminals and drastically reduce the wasted Billions the taxpayer is being ripped off for to fight a war that was lost decades ago in terms of stopping the use of pot. Go after the Meth and other hard and really dangerous drugs which are the real menace to society. Ok, my sermon is through. Almost forgot, air traffic controllers, neuro-surgeons and my nurse or doctor I want clear headed and that includes bus drivers, air plane pilots and you get the picture don't you? What people do on their own time is there business as long as that business does not have a negative effect on me. Test and verify for on the job technical intricate work that can lead to the death of innocent people. We can do this but it will take some serious thought and not by cheech and chong.

Have a Good Night...........................

It is a 50 Billion Dollar a year industry just for the buds.

That is before we get into any of the uses for the rest of the plant, which has an extremely high cellulose level, so it would be a prime candidate for ethanol production.

The plant is a nitrogen fixer with a very stable root system so would be an excellent soil replenishment rotation crop.

So remind me again why we haven't legalized and reaped the taxes. Stupidity I guess.

mdsj - couldn't have said it any better - your post #1.

I plan to vote YES TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

Pesevere

I understand your point. You want to know what you are smoking. I'm glad for my source. I guess in CA we are pretty health conscious and eat a lot of vitamins. We pay attention to our weed too.

"Healthy" weed? Gee, I remember cigarette commercials touting the health benefits of tobacco...

im in hell

you are not the brightest bulb on the tree thats for sure, did you say DEATH penalty for smoking pot? u r a f%^cing RE tard , dam boy , did your mom have any children that lived???

MtMike-571674: Can't you have a discussion about ANYTHING without voicing your opinion about the current administration? Jesus Christ...stick to the topic.

I love it when people talk out of their face holes and spew vitriolic banter about the "Evil of Marijuana". It gets even more comical when they puff out their chests with experiences that they feel gives them more credibility to speak on this subject (e.g., Police Officer, Teacher, Doctor, Medical Researcher, etc.)

Since all of you "know-it-better-than-the-rest-of-us" types seem to think your occupations lend a superior knowledge platform to your ill conceived opinion based jargon...Then riddle me this, "Why is it that when I was recently on a trip to Amsterdam, I saw absolutely no crime whatsoever, the streets were immaculately clean and all the buildings shown with pride to such an extent that even the graffiti was more an expression of artistic ability rather than to suggest that Kilroy was here or other such nonsense...and that is just the physical aspect. Scratch the surface and you realize the Dutch have an incredible social and business friendly environment, that they are now considered to not only be the happiest people on the planet but also one of the longest living people as a whole as well.

Because the Dutch allow studies to be done, we have a rich understanding of exactly what the benefits of marijuana are. In the United States there have never been any credible studies on the subject of marijuana. In fact the NIH, AMA nor any governmental organization of the United States that would conduct such a study have never conducted a study into the benefits or dangers of marijuana.

So let me just say that anyone posting here who isn't a "qualified" Dutch researcher on the effects of marijuana can just stop right there with the fact checking and data analysis.

You aren't qualified to even render an opinion, because we in the United States have never authorized a credible study ever. Ever!

I'll take my information from the Dutch on this subject, and they aren't hurting as economy either...Pretty tall order for a tiny country being stable when bigger countries in the EU are waging bloody battles in the street over their lack of solvency.

You could learn much more from a Dutch citizen than you can from an angry American Teabagger.

Good point. The Dutch legalized pot years and years and years ago.

They are VERY WEALTHY. It is Dutch people who manage a lot of money in the entertainment industry.

Not only are the Dutch wealthy (as a whole society), but they actually treat each other with great amounts of respect and civility. As I have been mentioning for hours and hours now, the Dutch have a rich culture, excellent health, are among the longest living people on the earth. The Dutch have legalized marijuana for 35 years now (since 1975)...Having just returned from there I can say without a shadow of doubt that their culture is not only more civilized than American culture, it's freer with more opportunities to boot.

Amsterdam (for those who have never been) is a city in which you have to be on your toes or you will get run over by bicyclists or a street car...I didn't see one pot smoker (in a town full of pot smokers) ever get hit by a bike or anything.

I have yet to meet a Teabagger that can hold his own (on a mental basis) matching wits with your average Dutch pot smoker, and likely would get their own ass handed back to them if they even tried. All you'd witness is a teabagger getting angrier and yelling louder because they'd be outmatched severely especially if we are discussing world history or any discussion other than the "Bible", and you know "The dutch might even hand a teabagger their ass in that subject as well." They are a Christian nation older than America after all, so I wouldn't put it past them to blank the average Republican or Teabagger on nearly every subject under the sun.

Lawyers and the court system loose in this debate. No more over crowding issues so the state run pens loose. When the dust settles, the issues will work themselves out. If Ca. turns this into union jobs, they will loose to states that are not union. Ca. doesn't have the market sewed up on who can grow weed. If you can grow it for personal use, that is a win for people concerning freedom. Booze sales will fall. Opium sales will increase. Tax revenue will increase for a while but see a decrease in that later. If this administration doesn't become friendly with the markets that influence jobs I don't see alot of activity for sales tax when people are more concerned about keeping a job, a roof and food in the fridge. The pot cure all looks to be a stretch at this point in time. It can solve Ca. problems temporarily at best until they learn how to get rid of what's sucking the blood out of them which are democrats running the Gov. year after year spending freely and loosing alot through entitlements for illegals. If you don't stop what created the problem pot isn't going to cure it but only treat it.

I agree with you Tim. My main point is lets stop criminalizing marijuana and save the state money on the prison system and everything else that goes with it.

It's not about "pot" (or marijuana), and never has been, it's all about Hemp. Hemp, the industrial work horse of the cannabis family and the plant that can and will (if legalized) shake an economy.

Hemp will replace trees for ALL paper and cardboard products.
Hemp will replace cotton in a lot of clothing and canvas (from cannabis) applications.
Hemp as a biofuel.
Hemp as a food source (and apparently an extremely nutritious one).

Hemp and its 25000 uses.

Henry Ford's Hemp car.

ECOLOGY FACTS

* Hemp growers can not hide marijuana plants in their fields. Marijuana is grown widely spaced to maximize leaves. Hemp is grown in tightly-spaced rows to maximize stalk and is usually harvested before it goes to seed.

*Hemp can be made into fine quality paper. The long fibers in hemp allow such paper to be recycled several times more than wood-based paper.

*Because of its low lignin content, hemp can be pulped using less chemicals than with wood. Its natural brightness can obviate the need to use chlorine bleach, which means no extremely toxic dioxin being dumped into streams. A kinder and gentler chemistry using hydrogen peroxide rather than chlorine dixoide is possible with hemp fibers.

*Hemp grows well in a variety of climates and soil types. It is naturally resistant to most pests, precluding the need for pesticides. It grows tightly spaced, out-competing any weeds, so herbicides are not necessary. It also leaves a weed-free field for a following crop.

*Hemp can displace cotton which is usually grown with massive amounts of chemicals harmful to people and the environment. 50% of all the world's pesticides are sprayed on cotton.

*Hemp can displace wood fiber and save forests for watershed, wildlife habitat, recreation and oxygen production, carbon sequestration (reduces global warming), and other values.

*Hemp can yield 3-8 dry tons of fiber per acre. This is four times what an average forest can yield.

HEALTH FACTS

*If one tried to ingest enough industrial hemp to get 'a buzz', it would be the equivalent of taking 2-3 doses of a high-fiber laxative.

*At a volume level of 81%, hemp oil is the richest known source of polyunsaturated essential fatty acids (the "good" fats). It's quite high in some essential amino acids, including gamma linoleic acid (GLA), a very rare nutrient also found in mother's milk.

*While the original "gruel" was made of hemp seed meal, hemp oil and seed can be made into tasty and nutritional products.

*Hemp can yield 3-8 dry tons of fiber per acre. This is four times what an average forest can yield.

And obviously forests only yield that amount once, then they are cut and decades have to pass before the forest is ready to be cut again; hemp can be harvested 2 or 3 times per season depending on climate.

T.Lucas,

You do realize that Republicans have been running the California State House for quite a while don't you. You can not blame those woes on the Dems. Although I doubt the Dems. could have done much better. You can not give all power over to the wealthy and Corporations and expect the masses to take anything but a beating!

Smith Cassidy hits the nail on the head as to the real reason the prohibition on Marijuana has lasted this long, Corporate Dollars! Add a 50 billion dollar a year industry to an industry that will compete with logging and Oil. It's political leanings would have been to the left for pure business reasons alone. Hemp/Marijuana could have been the salvation of many a family farm. Now that Monsanto owns all the land Hemp will have it's day!

it will still be there it will just be cheaper. and the guy selling it wont have as nice of a car.

On the contrary,he'll have a nicer car when they pick up the pace on meth and coke to fill the void left by pot. In addition people high on meth are more likely to be violent and irrational,think the border is rough now?! Just wait. Don't get me wrong I'm all for legalizing pot but all consequences have to be considered.

it will still be there it will just be cheaper. and the guy selling it wont have as nice of a car.

LMAO!!!

Good one

I don't think they will move into meth. They will not have the balls to step on the outlaw bikers toes. Maybe just coke and crack.

On the contrary,he'll have a nicer car when they pick up the pace on meth and coke to fill the void left by pot. In addition people high on meth are more likely to be violent and irrational,think the border is rough now?! Just wait. Don't get me wrong I'm all for legalizing pot but all consequences have to be considered.

That consequence has been considered. People don't do meth because it's available. They do meth because they want to do meth. You can up the availability all you want and meth use will never compare to pot use.

I think you are all wrong. Smuggling mexican pot over the border once it is legalized will make as much sense as smuggling moonshine. Why risk it? The cartels will end up losing 60-80% of their income and become much smaller and much less powerful. Our Latin American neighbors will finally have a fighting chance against them. Legalizing it for that reason alone is a no brainer.

Meth users tend to die quicker than pot smokers.

saying people will use meth because pot is legal is like saying people do pot because cigarettes are legal.

I said cartels will sell not people use meth instead of pot.The number of people using meth is increasing rapidly too... "Brklnj"there is plenty of meth coming across the border here in AZ. The labs in Mexico are huge because it's easier to get away with. Regulations are lax plenty of corruption among law enforcement.

i think pot is worse than tobacco.

I don't agree Brad - all due respect but it's not physically addictive like nicotine, there are myriad ways to partake without actually smoking it and if you do smoke it you tend to only smoke a little as opposed to cigarettes that people seem to smoke from morning til night (I even dated a girl who was so physically addicted to cigs that she would wake up in the middle of the night to have a cigarette)

How so Brad?

Brad, over 1000 pepole die daily to tobacco related illnesses. How many die to hemp related illnesses? Cigaretees contain amonia, hair removal chemicals and many many many others.

People that smoke, generally smoke 20+ cigarettes a day. The average peson that smokes hemp most likely doesn't exceed 2 joints a day. That's 10% of the smoke enertering the lungs every day. Also, it has already been stated that you can vaporize the hemp and eliminate the smoke.

Stop "thinking" hemp is worse than cigarettes and educate yourself to all the plant can offer.

Brad seriously, are you a lobbyist for the tabacco companies?

no i was just expressing my opinion. If as many people smoked pot as smoked cigarrettes i am sure there would be just as many health related issues with pot. the problem is a lot of people smoke both so the negative effects are far easier to attribute to tobacco because it is legal.

Pot is either very attractive to lazy people or it makes people lazy. Because a lot of the people who smoke it seem to have a hard time getting to work on time.

The author of this article has a ton of information on the cultivation of marijuana. I wonder were he got it: Encyclopedia Britannica or personal experience in growing it? Whichever, he sure knows how it's done!

Brad tell everyone why some doctors prescribe marijuana to people undergoing chemotherapy? Some of the very same people that have cancer from cigarette smoking, or the patients that use it to relieve the pain of arthritis, or cataracts. Educate yourself or are you one of the people that believe what you hear/read without the benefit of your own research?

I won't argue with you that Pot relaxes people, and therefore may cause inactivity or 'laziness,' however one thing you're forgetting is that Pot/THC is not addictive like nicotine in cigarettes.

I could be the most responsible person in the world, however if I'm a cigarette smoker and I'm at work and I need a cigarette...guess what...I'm stepping outside for a cig because I'm physically and mentally addicted.

Pot on the otherhand, is not physically addictive. Therefore I don't need to step outside during the work day to smoke a joint if I have responsibilities at work or otherwise during the day. This is why so many Professionals smoke pot, I'm talking about your doctors, lawyers, cpa's and still able to function and perform their jobs fine.

You often see homeless guys on the street begging for money for food...however judging from their stench....it's obvious that they really want the money for booze (or another highly addictive drug like crack) and likely are smoking a cig while holding up their sign.

I've not once heard or seen a homeless person saying they're on the streets from weed....or unable to function and are on the streets because of weed.

Any preconceived notion that pot is worse or equivalent to alcohol and cigarettes is absolutely absurd!!

The State, and the Government is in financial turmoil and we have a golden goose on our laps which could be our savior out of this mess (at least temporarily), yet we're too stubborn (or stupid) to take advantage of it....

But they say one joint equals ten cigarettes so two joints a day make you a pack a day smoker.

Well, bkln - bake brownies! Then no smoke, no impact on lungs.

Im in hell - worthless? I know a lot very smart, hard working responsible people who have a beer after work. Others have a joint. How do you define worthless?

Brad, Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot. You could smoke pot until the cows come home and not die of pot poisoning. However, thousands of people litterly die from alcohol poisoning a year, but alcohol is still legal.

In a country that touts freedom shouldn't we have the freedom to make our OWN decisions? I am sure there will be those who get addicted but, just like alcohol millions of people have a drink and don't make bad or illegals choices. Where is the TEA PARTY on this?? They are the "freedom" lovers they don't want big government regulating our choices, so why aren't they supporting legalizing pot?

Brad and all the other nay sayers......you might not want to find out how many of your fine upstanding, law abiding (except this exception), church going, type A personality leaders of business and industry are smoking pot occasionally already.

Brad

You are right ,smoking pot is as bad or worse than tobacco. Any kind of gas that is not oxygen going into your lungs is bad for you. Smoke does not belong in your lungs. That is why firemen wear respirators when they go into a fire.

But it never stopped people from doing things just because it is bad for them, they want to do it anyway.

To Brad O'Neil, you may think that smoking marijuana is more damaging than cigarettes, but my grandfather, VA doctor, a chest specialist, TB, histoplasmosis, and other ailments of the lungs; had one thing to say when my mother informed him of my choice;"Thank god he's not smoking cigarettes!".

Second there are studies among Rastafarians (not drug users using this as a cover) that have not shown any effects that abuse of cigarettes would cause.

Third to those of you who worry about pot as a gateway drug: The only gateway was the contact who wanted me to purchase an addictive, more profitable, for them, drug. So if the contact only has pot to sell legally, no problem. Like Amsterdam.

insectlog,

Your post makes no sense and has no credibility in an atmosphere that is made up of only about 21% O2.

Get your facts straight before posting and quit making things up and you won't sound so much like Brad.

Listen everyone. The fact that legalization overall is finally showing its teeth and creating a lucrative industry not only for California, but maybe for the rest of the U.S. is @!$%#ing radical. On a different note they should keep bus. in the hands of independent owners and leave government out of it as far as regulation goes. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Quit bickering and start thinking silly rabbits, tricks are for kids! Ha!

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Potheads. Worthless because they're mindless. Just the kind of voter California is looking for...

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As opposed to "im-in-hell" who is the worthless mindless voter that the Nazi Tea Party and the Ku Klux Klan are looking for in the brackish backwater of the little racists towns that litter the middle west and the deep south.

Really Snaggletooth? So countering an imbicil with imbicilc generalizations and name calling is what then?

I didn't know that the "tea-party" had an anti-pot legalization platform. In fact, I thought that the "tea-party" was a socio-politcal movement of people that oppose the socialist leaning policies of our current administration.

now you will know control. the government and corporate structure will have you not caring about a thing in no time and being a part of them.

Im guessing that you are thinking the government is going to use marijuana for mind control? LOL! The people trying to stop this are crazier than anyone else I have ever come across.

That's right marijuana makes you crazy and insane. Steer clear, I wouldn't want uncle Sam using mind control through marijuana on me.....

Reefer Madness oh no!!! lmfao

Exactly wizard...these anti (fill in the blank) people are the ones that are afraid that if they are not being fed propaganda, then they can't leave out of their own front doors because they don't know how to think for themselves.

The "war on drugs" was a dumb idea anyway. It has accomplished nothing other than stuffing our prisons with samll-time drug dealers. A waste of time and money, with no real decline in usage. Another fabulous GOP program based on fantasy and disinformation.

Reefer Madness: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696582420128930236#

The war on drugs hasn't worked. It is a huge waste of money as far as marijuana is concerned. I suppose it is easier for law enforcement to bust medical marijuana users than meth labs. They are moving non violent criminals on marijuana busts out of our prisons in California right now because the state government is going bankrupt. Legalizing marijuana to save billions of dollars each year in law enforcement and prison expenses. Law enforcement need to focus only on the hardcore drugs like meth, cocaine and heroin.

Spreadhead, please note that not many people grow their own tobacco nor brew their own beer and wine, even tough they can currently legally do so. It is unlikely that many people will start growing their own legal cannabis if they can buy it cheaply from a shop.

Not only that most people don't have the technical know how to grow it anyway. You can't just put it in a flower pot and add water.

i cant wait for the infomercials! grow your own weed and save thousands. use our patented low energy high output grow lights. Comes complete with our high nutrient super grow soil. your plants will begin growing immediately and you can look forward to your first harvest in no time. order now and receive these environmentally friendly easy to use roll papers. make your joints big or small but when you grow it you know its safe and satisfying.

I can't wait!! I want to grow my own!! Great idea, you could be soooo rich!!!

I agree, the Wal-Mart ization of pot isn't what we need. But how is keeping it illegal creating a free market? The current illegality of pot commerce is about as un-free as you can get. I suspect many of those "good people" you mention already in the industry would prefer to pay their taxes in exchange for not worrying about being busted and losing their homes & possibly their families, or worrying about being robbed or worse by business competitors with no legal recourse. Would you also say the alcohol industry worked in a free market during Prohibition?

Also, I grew up in a county where a good chunk of the economy did in fact revolve around corn...it could happen in some places with cannabis.

You're right, look what the lies, greed and racism of a few individuals did for the reefer madness pandoras box. That's lasted for generations because of the continued brainwashing of people like you

Wait for it...Ch...ch...ch...Chia Pot. But seriously, I am all for the legalization of this fairly benign weed. It's only been trampled on by the endless government lies, half-truths and disregard for factual science that has allowed prohibition to continue. Wake up morons, your govt lies to you to maintain its control over your lives. Remember alcohol prohibition? That really worked. Focus energy on harm reduction for hard drugs, i.e. free needle exchange, education, free injection sites, stop the spread of disease and in the mean time maybe have a few moments to enlighten some soulless heroin addict on some services, if and when they need it. But noooooo, spend billions, no trillions on trying to stamp out a weed as harmless as pot. In an ever stress-increasing world, it would help to mellow out a bit, because, look around at how angry, uptight, anal, rude and inconsiderate society has evolved into, in this "every person for themselves" world.

It will most likely be helping the unemployed and street people the most. The suppliers will put them out on the streets where the "workers" would be making a percentage of what they sell for the suppliers. There would be so many "workers" out there that it would be keeping LEA very busy day and night and wouldn't even be making a dent. And in doing so it will create more violence where as if the "worker" didn't come back with the profits they would be hunted down and beaten an inch from their life or even killed. And of course the gangs would be killing and fighting each other over who controls what part of the city they sell out of. Also killing more innocent people along the way on their wild west shooting sprees. People dealing drugs take their business and profits very seriously.

Then you'd have the blue and white collar "traders" also working for a supplier selling out of their cars, at work to employees and at home to friends for extra cash. Happy Hour would take on a whole new meaning. The suppliers entering the black market would be making more money then the state would ever hope to see. LOL

The disadvantage off all this would be that the "workers" and "traders" would still be fined and or prosecuted for selling marijuana with out a license and forced to give up the suppliers name, in which 9 times out of 10 they wouldn't in fear of retaliation. The courts would be so backed up in offences related to selling it costing tax payers even more money.

This is a substance that can not be controlled like liquor and tobacco. The black market will be seeing trillions of dollars as the states would be making a few million dollars which would be going right back into the system prosecuting the offenders.

Not to mention the savings on law enforcement costs to try and maintain the Prohibition against cannabis which is clearly not working. Plus the savings to the prison system. Four out of five people incarcerated in the US for drug offences are there for breaking the laws against possessing cannabis.

Jherek Carnelian

Not to mention the savings on law enforcement costs to try and maintain the Prohibition against cannabis which is clearly not working. Plus the savings to the prison system. Four out of five people incarcerated in the US for drug offences are there for breaking the laws against possessing cannabis.

These people do not show up in unemployment figures until they are released. Hmmm. Certainly whole industries will abound around legal bud. Ground floor anyone?

NO Petty crimes will increase!

Expand on your bold assertion ShortStop. Why exactly would petty crimes increase?

MMMMMMMmmmmm!!!!! I'm getting hungry!!

I like the idea of businesses competing to produce the best pot and for less money over time.....A victory for pot smokers and an economic boom simultaneously.

Pot smokers will grow their own. The pot growing business will take in the shorts. Pot will become cheap as ragweed.

iminhell...wasn't one of your earlier posts complaining about how pot will create a bunch of "Worthless" do nothings (may have been someone else). If pot makes you lazy....won't pot users be to lazy too grow their own?

Now that is funny expatinAsia!

Never met a potsmoker who wouldn't go out of their way for a fix, to include all the ritual of growing their own weed. You think I ain't been 'round? Think again!

Go out of their way for a "fix"? No, I seriously doubt you've been around many cannabis smokers if you can't even get simple euphemisms straight. And unless you have something interesting or informative to add, it would be a delight to all if you'd refrain from making any more stupid comments.

Yeah...like it takes a lot of energy to grow pot. Any moron can grow it, and once it is legal, only morons will pay for it instead of growing their own. Hell, I have an acre I'm not using right now.

im in hell

yea i think that youve been around , and youve probably told on every1 you know and you have no friends anymore and you are two stupid to know the difference between boy and girl plants so you cant grow what works,must be hell being RE tarded by choice ,but hence your name im in hell, lomfl , and by reading all your posts its easy to see why you are in hell, hope you expire soon..

Dave, did you get that education working the cash register? If you are going to wish death on someone at least use spell check.

This for all you experts,

Dave here has just shown my point that you holy'r than thou dip$hits don't want to admit. Dave here has very little to no education and is so obviously dumb, that he can't even figure out that little little spell check button. Not to mention the lack of simple knowledge between the words, to, too, or two....and he can grow pot.

I stand by my earlier comments...Any dumb$hit moron can grow pot...therefore the lame azz argument for solving the budget deficit by selling pot is just that....LAME. Come up with a new argument dumb$hits.

Thanks for proving my point Dave.

USSA, please note that, as you say, any "Any dumb$hit moron can grow pot" (sic) it is also true that anyone can brew their own beer or ferment their own wine. Yet note well that few do. I could grow my own carrots if I wanted to, but it is so much easier to buy them at the supermarket, just as it is so much easier to buy my two pints of beer that I drink each week or so down at the pub. People can grow and cure their own tobacco too, but they don't. It is easier to buy these things from professional producers and it will be easier to but legal cannabis from professional growers, as most users do already.

Once again...not the same thing...But keep on trying.

Of course its not the SAME thing you utter fool but the same principle is at work: If someone can produce a product on a commercial scale and sell it to you cheaply enough, then you will not bother to make it yourself because it is too much bloody trouble to do so.

Are you trying to troll or are you actually so obtuse you cannot understand that simple point?

I suspect the latter.

Ah somebody that thinks it is difficult to grow a plant. I suppose when you wake up in the morning the first thing you do is look over the notes your mommy left you so you know how to go to the bathroom. Ooops, too late...you pissed in your pants again.

Don't worry, she put a left and right tag on your shoes, you'll be okay....

Tax money? On a weed you can grow anywhere. Are you HIGH?

I just want to point out something that has been bothering me.

I have been reading many posts that refer to cannabis as a 'weed that will grow anywhere.' They then use this argument to say that there will be little tax revenue because of this.

While the statement is true at first glance, delving a bit deeper will prove it to be false. While you can grow a marijuana plant just about anywhere, it actually takes very careful cultivation to grow a plant that will be of any true use. Only female marijuana plants produce THC laden buds, and these THC laden buds are of better quality/quantity when the plant is carefully tended to.

While you could grow a plant by throwing a seed in the ground, you will never have the same potency as a plant which is cultivated by an expert. Therefore, people will be paying this tax, and there will be revenue from it, because the average American doesn't really have the desire to spend a couple hours a day carefully tending to their plants, fertilizing them, checking the ph of their soil and water, adjusting lamp heights and settings. They just want to smoke, so they are going to go to their local bud shop and just buy a bag.

Growing worthwhile pot is not as easy as some of these peepson here are trying to lead one to believe.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....you said it...they just want to smoke. So yes they will just throw seeds in the ground and get what they want to smoke for free. Not everybody, nor will everybody, want to pay some "expert" for what they can grow on their own. Duh...its not rocket science.

Is making alcohol rocket science? no...In fact making alcohol is cheaper than growing pot by a long shot. You just take a bag of sugar, yeast, grain or fruit, and water...you then boil those ingredients at 173 degrees for about 3 days and run copper tubing in a coil from the mash boiler through a cold water tub, and the run off of that mixture is unfiltered alcohol.

Using the lame logic of "grow your own" to "avoid taxation" is stupid for the same reason I just mentioned above.

If people would grow their own pot to avoid tax or paying over the counter price, then it would be the same argument for making alcohol.

Yet how many people do you know USSA that make their own vodka? I don't know of any personally myself, and I'm sure the government isn't worried about the tax collection on this issue, which is why it is finally proceeding.

Make a good argument, not the same old tired ones.

Not even close snaggletooth. Only a moron like yourself thinks growing pot is difficult, or time consuming. The proof is that dumb$hits like you can even grow it.

It is very difficult AND time consuming to grow high grade useful marijuana. A plant which has been just grown anywhere and left untended to grow wild will have buds full of useless seeds, and is what is known as "home grown ditch weed" - it won't get you high, you'll be lucky if you get a buzz off of it. It is fairly obvious that people who think otherwise have never perused the different grades of pot available, and thus are just spouting off ignorant statements with no truth to them whatsoever, because it is easier for them to handle it than the truth.

You are absolutely correct Silvershadows. USSA is is a stupid troll.

My brother-in-law grew a 1/4 acre of weed using natural sunlight, rain and soil on his farm. It was good for making rope or paper maybe but it was useless for smoking. "Any moron" cannot grow good dope. It takes work, knowledge and technology.

USSA uses the logic of the naysayer: "No that's not so." Studiously avoiding the words and knowledge of those who know better. One cannot brew beer cheaper than a commercial brewery, nor make wine cheaper than a commercial vineyard nor grow dope better or cheaper than a commercial grow operation. maybe a small grower can produce better pot but they can't grow pot in quantity cheaper. It just ain't gonna happen.

Look if USSA was right, then there would be a megaton of weed coming out of people's basements and backyards right now and there would be no import business for marijuana whatsoever. So explain why the Mexicans and Canadians are making a fortune running their homegrown over the border USSA?

Apparently you and your brother in law are even dumber than morons then because any moron can grow good marijuana.

But some clown using the national parks and sleeping in the dirt is your expert? HAHAHAHA, yeah..thats real hard...Duh

And you think that the weed "some clown using the national parks and sleeping in the dirt" is growing is the type of marijuana we are talking about? I'm going to explain something to you. People buy that weed because it's cheap, because they are lightweights, and because they simply don't have better available to them, or don't know any better. It isn't any good, it barely produces a buzz in comparison to good marijuana grown by an expert, and it's full of seeds, stems, and sticks - the typical bag of low-priced illegally grown marijuana will be of such low quality, in fact, that you will be spending your money on a bag which is 1/4th to 1/2th useless seed/stem/stick material.

When (not if, WHEN) marijuana becomes legal, people will have access to much higher grade marijuana that looks good, smells good, and tastes phenomenal when compared to what they have been buying from their local street dealer. Because this marijuana will be cheaper due to legalization, they will want it - and will quickly discover that unless they are willing to put in a lot of time and effort that they cannot grow weed of the same caliber.

Now, I am an intelligent woman who has spent quite a bit of time researching and discovering facts about cannabis plants, their different types and strains, and different growing styles. On the other hand, you seem to be a willfully ignorant pompous ass of a man who does not want facts because they contradict what propaganda has been shoved down your throat since you were a child, and you feel that you must be a good little sheep and follow along with the flock.

Please educate yourself, then come back here and comment. Ignorance is killing our world - stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution.

It doesn't take that much time to research cannabis plants so you must be a retard. And knowing the different strains does not make you an intelligent woman, but thanks for the laugh. You obviously gave that title to yourself.

I want to try to grow a plant or two just for fun.

USSA - you are quite useless, contrary, and unwilling to listen to people who actually do know more about a subject than you do.

Let me guess. White, upper or upper middle class, male, and republican. Possibly served in the military, or thought about it at least since it brings out the natural @!$%# in people.

You are choosing to be willfully ignorant, which means I am through talking to you. I have little to no patience for stupidity, and even less for purposeful stupidity. Your answers have become the default responses for raging internet trolls attempting to get a rise out of people in order to somehow make themselves feel like big, strong, men.

Maybe you should kick back and smoke a bowl, it will help you relax so you can pull the large stick out of your anus.

While I do not agree with the Arizona law you do have a good point there Dave.

Sorry completely different argument. One law can legally discriminate and profile people while the other is simply allowing a product to hit the market.

Big difference.

hey dave, spark one up and hire amexican to do your landscaping. wake up, it is 2010

Because it hasn't passed yet. But it will

Easy. The Fedgov thinks it makes makes money on illegals because illegals pay into bogus SSN's they will never collect from. The Fedgov is also convinced it can make money from pot revenue.

Illegals cost way more than the Fedgov collects from them, just like pot growers/users will find ways to circumvent any taxes on pot. The fall in revenue to Mexican cartels once pot's legalized is what really worries me. Think border violence is bad now, just wait...

Borders are federal territory.

Fed laws that over ride drug laws aren't even Constitutional.

Although the SCOTUS claims otherwise using the ICC. Our conservatively packed supreme court think states rights and individual rights only matter when it allows the conservative agenda to circumvent the law.

cmon dave one law is about using a drug which will effect the user the other law will encourage profiling , similar to what the black man has been fighting all his modern life, now i think that throwing all the illegal mexicans out of our country is a good thing, however , i also have some very good friends that are mexicans that are us citizens and i dont think that just because the cops cant tell that they are legal by looking through their car window that they should be pulled over and checked ,its just not right, now for the government to tell people that they cant smoke that weed that grew in the yard and helps with pain and a lot of other things also is not right either so as you can see I think the government is sometime right right and sometimes wrong and that my friend is why we vote , so we the people tell the government what we will be doing,and it seems that its about time for another revolution as our elected officials are having a hard time hearing us, hope we are all on the winnin side , oops , that cant be , sorry most you folks in hell are hit...

I didn't realize we have so many lawyers here.

Dave, if we are to truly understand the situation here let us begin with an understanding of what our country is and what it is not.

Dave, since Thomas Jefferson's election to President we have become and are still to this day..."A Republic". The "Federalists" (John Adams & Alexander Hamilton) would applaud your feelings of justification in Federal Laws superseding state laws, but that just is not the case. Being that we are actually a collection of states with rights granted each state to govern themselves, your argument is wrong just on that basis.

The Federal government is really an "oversight" portion of our legal system to adjust state laws to abide by constitutional law. You feel the weight of this on most supreme court cases that generally defer to state law in almost all but the most controversial cases, and even in many of those cases defer back to state law. No it's not cut and dried and there are many issues that remain unresolved in this vein.

I'm sure there will be lawyers chiming in with some pedantic rhetoric. Let me just stop you right there, because it is unnecessary. I'm not reinterpreting the law, just allowing Dave to understand why his argument has many flaws in its application. Yes, I know I'm oversimplifying the issue. Even more exacerbating is the fact that Texas has as its charter the ability to completely ignore federal law "hence the term Lone Star State".

The fact is we don't know the ramifications of our laws until they have been enacted, and that State Law (by and large) actually has more instances of trumping federal law than the other way around. That is a better way of looking at it. Part of the reason this is, is because a state with a large population (Like California) shouldn't be henpecked by tiny population states such as the Dakota's or Alabama, etc...

Or an even better way to put it is: "If you don't live in California, you really don't have a dog in this fight and should really just shut up."

Dave, do you want "big government" or "small government"?

Remember when California, along with NY and a few other states, passed tougher emissions requirements for all vehicles sold in the state? Did the Feds allow that to happen?

And as for marijuana in California, the DEA regularly raids dispensaries and individuals who, according to California state law, are doing nothing illegal and regularly steals and vandalizes. These are laws the citizens of California voted for. It should only be something extraordinary that allows the Feds to go against the will of the state and its citizens.

Do some research before you whine like a child.

Legalization and regulation are what bothers me. It is still illegal in the Netherlands yet is 'tolerated' and taxed. Works for them but no one has to be in a data system. The govt makes some money without regulating. Any time the govt regulates, it controls. And the appetite in the US is too large of an animal for the govt to take on. What I have said is there are a number of houses that haven`t been foreclosed on because of one thing and one thing only. There are landlords renting to the growers knowing full well what is going on but they don`t have anyone else that will rent the house.

And I didn`t say I had 'friends' in that business. But a lot of them do pay taxes in some way or fashion or else they would have a whole new set of problems worse than selling pot. Some states do in fact have stamps dealers are supposed to buy and attach to their pot. But at $300 per ounce stamp how is there profit made?

My whole point is alot of people over the years have demonized others for smoking but when the going gets tough, the tough start reaching into others pockets. Everybody sees gold in this 'new' industry. Well....they saw gold in the stock market until it went to hell. They saw gold in the housing industry and.....well. Everybody just needs to step back and realize this isn`t the cure all for the economy. Oh....and the 'jobs' created? Please.....you will find illegal immigrants tending to the plants and people working for minimum wage working the counter at the dispensary.

Marijuana has over 4000 uses. There will be plenty of industry created once fully legalized. Don't forget about added tourism too...

May not be the cure, but can't hurt to try!!

:)

Federico, Don't bother to file for your refund. Give ALL the money to the Govt. If I grew pot in my backyard, and have more than I need, I will sell it. What would you do?

Why even control it at all? Let the kids smoke it. They smoke cigarettes...

You are obviously not smart enough to make your own decision about smoking tobacco, pot, or drinking alcohol if you are dumb enough to ask that question.

lol. bad idea.

Because when it is legal and you have thousands and thousands of people coming out in the open with it, what are you going to do about it? Arrest all of them? Yeah right.

The real core of the situation is this: there is power in numbers and there are now more people in support than against. This was bound to happen at some point or another. State officials are willing to change because they realize they are losing and losing a lot of money in the process, especially when they have better things to do like get real criminals off the street.

And for everyone's info I actually don't smoke, I have before and I know the effects. I prefer alcohol myself and seems pretty hypocritical to me that people can't pick their own poison.

For those of you who want less government this should be something you get behind, peoples right to choose free from government persecution. If you are against it, than you really don't want people to have the right to choose or smaller government, you are just fine with the government telling people what they can and can't do.

I love how supporters of smaller government will never touch an issue that actally involves making the government smaller......

Wow...I just watched. I'm not suprised about the countless medicinal benefits of hemp and am just glad to see a modern documentary that helps people help themselves. Thank you so much for sharing about this film.

Alcohol has its share of medicinal uses, too. Doesn't make it any better. Coca has medicinal uses, opium medicinal uses. Will that arguement be used to legalize these substances as well?

the difference is the adverse effects of those substances, ok so pot makes a person mellow out, maybe even a bit lazy, i will take that over violent and psycho anyday!

Coca and opium "mellow" you out, too. Codine will numb you up and make you go to sleep. Or kill you. I wonder what high concentrations of refined THC do to the human body? If it gets legalized, I'm sure our emergency rooms are going to find out.

im-in-hell I believe you are just throwing ideas out there so you can be on the con side of this debate. I don't think you know any pot smokers in your circle of friends or you wouldn't be stating such outlandish things. In all my years of living no over doses, no deaths, hard working people who are law abiding in every other aspects of their lives. MY mother was a mean drinker sure wish she smoked pot instead. I wish Canada would legalize it. My only question would be, buy it at the boose store or the pharmacy. Its too stinky to grow in the apartment.

I smoked pot for 15 years. Quit in 80. 7 finger nickle bags, roughly an oz and a half, for 5 bucks when I was a kid. Sensa, red bud, purple skunk, blond all the high priced stuff, cost 15 to 20 an oz. Mostly I just picked the stuff along the river bottom, dried it and smoked it. 15 wasted years chasing euphoria and getting squat in return. The best thing I ever did was quit that crap and get my life back on track.

Don't care what you think. I know what I know and legalizing pot is going to do no good thing for this country.

i m in hell

a true ta rd indeed, first it as four fingers , i was there cmon 7 fingers? was your dealer deformed? lofl and hey Ive met people just like you, weak minded ,and hey you cant help it its in your dna you cant function with a buzz i understand , that's no different that the guy that get slobbering drunk on one beer , and i agree he shouldn't be drinking and you shouldn't be smoking, however the rest of the thinking and actual working should not be penalized because a few people like yourself come from a very weak gene pool..two posts up you asked what would the effecte be of high concentration and here you say you smoked for 15 years , you couldnt find out in 15 years which is it duffus??? guess you are dumber that dumb , dont let us find out that you have a government job..

Im-in-hell says: "Coca and opium "mellow" you out, too. Codine (sic) will numb you up and make you go to sleep. Or kill you. I wonder what high concentrations of refined THC do to the human body? If it gets legalized, I'm sure our emergency rooms are going to find out."

Yes and ingesting an entire bottle of aspirin at one time will kill you. I use codeine cough syrup when I get a cold. One teaspoon at bedtime and I sleep through the night. I expect that if I drank the whole bottle it might make me sick or kill me. Some cocaine rubbed on the gums will anesthetize a tooth for dental work. Five grams snorted up my nose would probably kill me. Morphine is the painkiller of last resort for terminal patients. 15 ml of a 10% solution will kill one. So what's your point? That drugs can be dangerous if misused? Gee thanks for the newsflash, didn't know that!

Please explain who would feed their body high conventrations (sic) of THC for medicinal purposes when a quantity of hemp oil the size of a grain of rice daily will give the required therapeutic effect? Do you swallow a whole bottle of aspirin when you have a headache or do you take the proper dose of two tablets? Just what is your point?

Are you trying to tell us that some people misuse drugs and might take an overdose? Gee, no fooling! Guess what dude? People do that now with most "recreational drugs" being illegal. I don't think that will get any better or any worse if cannabis is available for therapeutic use. I don't think that would get any better or any worse if every drug under the sun was legally available for any use. Are you going to start shooting heroin if it is made legal tomorrow because I know I certainly won't. Fools are fools my friend and they will kill themselves with drugs whether they are legal or illegal. Tobacco cannot be used safely by ANY method and the fools still smoke it. Do you think the smokers s will quit tomorrow if tobacco is made illegal? Did drinkers stop drinking during Prohibition when alcohol was illegal?

While you are talking about Emergency Rooms, pop down to your local ER and ask them how many people come in during an average month for illness related to alcohol. Then ask them how many come in during an average month for illness related to the use of cannabis.

So if I am understanding correctly, we should just leave everything status quo? And in my opinion if a few government jobs get lost because we end the "war on drugs" so be it. We need to be saving those tax dollars anyways.

yea shut down the DEA!!! They are corrupt as hell.

The DEA are not just corrupt. These people are evil! People who hand cuff parapaleigic's to hospital beds and wheel chairs. Shoot innocent people trying to find relief from a medical condition are "Evil". . . should I go on about killing sleeping children and family pets? Acts of cheap vandalism to private property. Acts of armed domestic terrorism. Theft of jewels and other valuables during their BS raids. Yes they are EVIL! The DEA are no different than some local punk gang banger with a pistol busting into your home.

The are much different than gang-bangers. They are a projection, not only of our culture's fear and loathing of the scapegoat "drug user", but also that of the State's absolute power! I think that most discussants on this thread are failing to take heed of the far-reaching implications of a war against the citizen. On one end of the spectrum, what I might label the "left-liberal position, many folks are seemingly aminable to begging the state for a right to ingest what one wishes. I see the latter as no different, and no less absurd, than the asking of the state to confer the right for me to read and say as I wish. I understand that there are court precedences to the right to free speech, as one cannot cry "fire" in a crowded theatre, and accord such free speech protection!

People can be hurt by speech, literally! However, with drugs, which are, by the way, morally neutral objects, the State sees fit to deny me the right to drugs (read Thomas Szasz's "Our right to drugs") on no other benchmark than that of political expediency! Drugs and ideas are both ingested, are both personal matters, yet, the former is somehow construed as more dangerous than the latter; thus justifying extra-legal and unconstitutional measures. The assertion that govt. is there to protect the public good and its respective interests- quite true enough; and the same excuse was made of the First run at prohibition.

Here here J'Booty. I feel exactly the same way!

I don't support its legalization. I think there is fundamentally something wrong with a person who finds excuses to get high on any kind of product.

That is why you are in hell. Try relaxing and enjoying your life for a change

I used to live in Phoenix, AZ, hence the im-in hell, cause it was 122 degrees the day I decided to leave, and I had to stay there until I could get up the money to move.

I don't need a drug to relax, and I enjoy my life. I don't have to waste my health or my pocket book for a cheap high.

Im in hell do you feel that makes you superior or self-righteous enough to tell other people how to live their lives and if so how do you feel about the terrorists trying to tell you how to live YOUR life ?

I like you !!

Well said!

Mike, EXACTLY RIGHT...Can you boozeheads say that? I think not

smoked on and off for 40 years.( nothing else could replace it. never done hard drugs, never will--know too many people that died from alcohol,cocaine, oxycotin) pot gives you patience, like hitting the refresh button on your computer. worked full time for 38 years. self employed now. (video game sales & purchase) my life has been much happier because of herb. don't like alcohol much because i get sick with hangovers. use to drink and drive and lucky to be alive. (have not drank and drove for 20 years) I don't smoke and then drive either. I only smoke at night when everything is done for the day. Love Doug Benson(super high me)

Maybe it's just you!

bran, hire adults- not some punk kid that will work for $7.50, wake up dude

Simple solution Bran T just hire people that do it after work DUH! And no it doesn't lead to harder drugs either if you believe that BS then you sir are a idiot.

Bran you are retarded. They started with cigarettes and alcohol. what leads to harder drugs, is not marijuana. It is their own personailty that leads to these things. Blaming marijuana and making someone to steal is absurd as well. If they steal they were a thief to begin with.

Bran T - you kinda undermined your own argument - u say that alcohol ABUSE is bad too. I agree - it's the abuse of a recreational drug that causes the problem not responsible consumption. I wouldn't want a drunk or stoned worker in my company.

If you have idiots smoking it at work I'd say your claim is true. Smoking cannabis at night and going to work the next day is not a problem. The effects last 3 hours at the most. You'll not change your views, and neither wil the suppoters of it, you're going to be disappointed in the end I'm afraid. Maybe you should google" why is marijuana illegal" and educate yourself.

Bran, stick to your self-righteous thoughts of your world, leave the rest of us alone. I'd rather have a pot head working for me than someone like you. Probably try to force bullcrap religious propaganda on me. Now that crap will rot your brain faster than pot.

I think that most "problem" smokers would have been problem employees even if they didn't smoke marijuana. I'd even venture to say some of them might even have been worse. I learned a long time ago that lazy "stoners" were just plain lazy people to begin with.

Recreational drug is an oxymoron.

Bran T You have a bunch of stories to tell us to back up your statement that grass leads to other drugs? I grew up in the 60s and did my share of trying some of the drugs that was out there then. Now at 57 I only do grass, quit smoking cigs, drinking. I work very hard,never phone in sick. always on time. I agree with Eb-1008995.

pot is certainly a relaxant and people SHOULD NOT work while stoned, some people can work with a buzz but some CAN NOT WORK WITH A BUZZ and there are some the should wear a sign CAN NOT WORK WITH BUZZ just in case they are at the smokers room however pot should be legal and that doesn't mean that people will be going to work stoned , if they will then they probably already are now so nothing changes there,however if im the employer and my people are at work visibly high then they would be sent home and warned that they will be fired if stoned at work again , pretty much just like having alcohol on your breath at work i guess , i dont know as i dont drink , i am a pot head lofl..

Agreed

Ahem....that oil MJ puts out is worth a lot more than you would want to pour in the gas tank. Want to make that argument ask the govt why they won`t allow hemp to be grown in the US?? Farmers have been asking for years but still it`s no. Hemp doesn`t contain enough thc to do anything and it can be farmed and harvested just like corn. Until the hemp thing is reasonably altered I think high grade pot is still going to be something controlled by A) Asian gangs B)Mexican cartels or C) the government. All 3 are pretty scary to me.

Yup Marijuana - ethanol. It is the most efficent plant to use for this.

Yo Yo Spreadhead - why u leavin the brothas out of the sticky icky distribuition loop ?- aint no triad bro it's a straight up, 90 degree lovin, 4 sided box!! Damn - once again the brothas gettin no props

I don`t show all my cards at once frederico....I know all too well wassup. ;)

When pot's legal, everybody who wants it will grow it ('cause it's a weed and can grow anywhere) so no taxes will be collected. Since pot will become ubiquitous among users, the price of pot will plummet--great for users, not so great for growers and distributors like the US Government. Or the Mexican drug cartels.

The biggest grower of pot in the USA is (drum roll please) The US Armed Forces. Where the hell do you think all that rope in the Army and Navy come from? Kansas! Know what else, The most fiberous plants are also the ones highest in THC, the best ones for making rope.

Industrial hemp is legal in the US, actually, and is a major cash crop is states such as Kentucky. Also, im-in-hell, your posts are irritating due to their multitude and lack of any real or true information. But as I'm I'll take pity on you and give you this little snippet of fact: industrial hemp is used to make rope, it does not currently contain high levels of THC, and one would die of carbon monoxide poisoning before one ever got a buzz.

We have a store in town that sell clothes, wallets and other things made from hemp. Its not cheap stuff right now as it a specialty item. Its suppose to last longer than cotton,is soft and cool to wear. And yes there is so little THC in the hemp plants grown for fibers,so I don't know where you got your facts from im-in-hell. Just spouting again.

Yea well i want em to make some clothes out of my plants then when i wear em i can stay stoned lofl hahahahahaha

oh chit im an ex pow i dont have no plants, excuse meeeee....

That's it...I'm moving to San Francisco.

Be sure to wear a flower in your hair...

This is impressive. Thanks for sharing.

interesting analogy.

When polled 99% of addicts confuss to drinking Milk as a child!!! Therefore, milk must be a gateway drug!!!!

While hilarious, your arguement (analogy) is unfortunately a logical fallacy.

the doctors i know get the best pot, they been smoking for years. that is what makes them good doctors. the staight ones get sick at the sight of blood. so spark up or be left behind

CALIFORNIA IS THE BEST STATE TO START THIS MOVEMENT IT HOLDS 10 PERCENT OF OUR PEOPLE about 35 million, the USA holds about 350 million i i say that this is the best place that this should happen , and you are going to have those that say californians are crazy and lazy , well i have lived in California for about 30 of my 50 some years and California is one of the most expensive states to live in and ive smoked weed that whole time and i have been by some crazy way been able to run my own business and buy a couple homes while being stoned as hell for about 75% of my life and weed is one of the things on this ol planet that i enjoy and will never stop using ,and if that makes me a criminal then somethings really wrong in this free country of ours that every body else in the world wants to come to and live , dam it must be really fu*ked up wherever they are coming from!!!