Our next president Bobby Jindal, at least has plans to build some islands to block the flow of oil. But of course our worst prez in US history obama, has to do a study first.

I like Bobby Whats-His-Name, the heavy set Parish President. If they'd turn him loose, he could get something done.

BobInFL,

Bobby Jindal, "our next president"? Hahaha! Thanks; I needed a laugh this morning!

In all seriousness, I do hope that a solution can be found quickly to clean up this horrific mess... but I don't think that building some islands is gonna do it.

Some ocean scientists say the islands could be a worse disaster for the enviroment, by cutting/changing tides and currents in the region making things worse. Thats why the Feds are taking their time approving that. Also, saw a quote from a BP scientist last night that said even the relief wells might not work. His was quoted as saying that getting that first relief well to work would be like "winning the lottery".

I love this...over 40 days later all BP has tried is to dump a big box over the leak and then try to plug the leak with garbage...and now this..

What's even worse, during this entire time, all we see is the same sole ship at sea trying to contain the spill and a shoreline with people with shovels...

WTF....What are we waiting for...Contain this spill and use every resource available to do it...But no...this morning, for the 1st time..Good Morning America's Sam Champion jumps a boat to look at the spill first hand...And what did he find...oil and gas in the Gulf...DUH...

What's being done today in the Gulf with the Spill is the worst case of complacency and deference ever encountered in our country's history

My heart goes out to the people of the Gulf Coast, as an American, I'm completely disgusted with the attention being focused on the containment of this spill, because let's face it....BP doesn't know WTF they are doing...

God help the people of the Gulf Coast...

Have you looked at the map lately? Creating a land berm that will stretch from Texas to Florida will take years not days. It's basically impossible. Besides, hurricane season is near. A little berm will do nothing against a hurricane. Just money and valuable time being thrown away.

This is stupid. 2 tries on a dome didn't work, what makes a 3rd try a success? Quit trying to collect the dam oil to continue to profit and permenantly seal the dam leak !!

Hello all, Oil is a natural resource of nature, it was here billion of year before man and will be here billions of year after we are gone, so there is no need to fear this, nature will resolve this issue, if we don't - Opps! I forgot some of us think we going to live for ever, I got news for YA! the dust from your bones eventually will be converted into Oil

had-enough....I agree with your latter point, but disagree with your first...It may be impossible to create a land beam of that scope, however, we can expedite a solution that can, at the very least, limit the impact of the slick to the LA shoreline...It should initially be focused on LA and then onto MS, AL, and FL...Keep in mind, BP has yet to take a loss on this effort...What are we waiting for...All I hear is talk from Washington and a pseudo criminal investigation that only serves to quell public outrage...focus energies towards the crisis...there's plenty of time to investigate and prosecute afterward...This is the disease of this country and no action will take place until it affects those with money on the FL coast and by that time LA will be devastated...

I wonder how long it will take for has-been celebrities to hold another telethon to help the people of LA...Another joke..

I'd be interested what the reaction would be if Bush was in office...Guaranteed there would be an broad reaching outcry and continued 24x7 media coverage and not news about Gore getting a divorce...

Disgusting..

s1wdetroit, I sure hope you were being fascitious in your remark because there are alot of 'natural' elements that are toxic to the human body such as arsenic and lead that should not be ingested or inhaled. Being exposed to crude oil (and its products) is definitely not good for any form of life.

What is so unfortunate is that once this disaster has been contained, the general relief felt will result in business as usual. I sure hope that doesn't happen. The ramifications of this spill will be felt for the next two generations, but then again, we are experiencing the ill effects right now of the last two. When will we learn?

Good response Al. Conservatives view of the world can be so short sighted. They use the same argument for carbon dioxide emissions. Its natural so it must be good. Ignorance is so dangerous and today more then ever.

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Amen to they that dumb or what

ctdad, "What's being done today in the Gulf with the Spill is the worst case of complacency and deference ever encountered in our country's history.". That's the best I've heard it put so far. It's odd that noone can stop this 'leak' . Or maybe it's that BP won't let anyone stop the leak. I hope everyone with memories of going to the beach has them written down somewhere and/or documented with pictures, because if/when the first hurricane hits, there won't be a clean one from Texas to to the Florida Keys. Everything will be covered with oil. Clean-up will be immense, if not impossible. BP doesn't have a clue what they have done to the enviroment and the lively hoods of millions of people

Anyone in the world who has purchased gas since this leak opened up has just pronounced BP and all associated companies "Not Guilty."

Anyone in the world who is cashing a paycheck without really knowing what there company is up to certainly can't point a finger.

This is a very bad thing, very bad, but no one will be held accountable, and ultimately we'll all just keep on buying gas from BP.

I'm not being cynical. I just know How Things Are.

Best to all.

Obama says he's been in charge of the spill since the very beginning with his boot on the neck of BP, but this doesn't appear to be very effective unless the goal is something other than preventing a total disaster. Somebody please wake up Obama and tell him to concentrate on reducing the damage to Louisiana, and put golf, basketball and fund raising on the back burner for now.

It's about OIL the most important issue. Whatever happens, it's worth it.

We have a land berm protecting nearly all of the Florida panhandle. It is called "barrier islands"! Unfortunately rich people thought they'd prefer to build condos and houses on them instead of letting them serve their natural purpose.

Funny that Bobby Jindal has not been criticizing Daddy Bush for the $75 million limitation on secondary damages by BP. I guess he agrees that a company making $38 billion a year could not possibly afford to be responsible for their own actions. Kind of a rich company get out of jail free card, wouldn't you say?

But, Jindal and his cronies won't hesitate to criticize poor people who only asked for bread, water and transportation to somewhere safe during Katrina.

Republicans are the lowest form of life on Earth.

Let's not forget the demorats also, lawyers all low lifes!

So, are we moving on to plan "G" now? This is getting depressing. First storm hits down there and from Mexico to Miami, the shoreline and ten miles inland is gonna be coated with oil. That's some of the most expensive property on the planet, or was.

Greg-281912
Best to all.

Anyone in the world who has purchased gas since this leak opened up has just pronounced BP and all associated companies "Not Guilty."

Anyone in the world who is cashing a paycheck without really knowing what there company is up to certainly can't point a finger.

This is a very bad thing, very bad, but no one will be held accountable, and ultimately we'll all just keep on buying gas from BP.

I'm not being cynical. I just know How Things Are.

So... According to you the whole US should stop for the next 2 months on everything and die while BP, Government and everything else stops and Waits?

Yea.... you're real brilliant! Let's all wait with a thumb up our *** and see whats gonna happen... Brilliant Idea, i'll let you fight off w.e country has enough balls to preemptive strike us sense were sitting with a thumb up our ***.

I would laugh at these clowns, not just British Petroleum but the Obama administration, but it's all too sad. I have nothing but total disgust right now.

The Feds have approved the building of 6 of the 24 requested sand berms to the east and west of the Mississippi River to stop the oil from getting into the marshlands. The hang-up on getting the first six built is to force BP to pay for them. As for the berms possibly being a worse environmental disaster, nothing could be worse than the oil permeating the marshlands and killing a fishery worth billions of dollars that supports a vast number of area residents and furnishes a substantial portion of the nation's seafood. If necessary, after the spill is cleaned up, the berms can be moved or opened to allow normal tidal flow.

It's been long reported that restoring eroded coast land would provide additional protection from hurricanes. This could actually be a rare teo for oner; protect the marshland from the oil and upgrade hurricane protection to that region of the Gulf.

Orlando - many of us conservatives out here are very very upset about this disaster and feel sick to our stomachs thinking about the ramifications of this spill both in terms of ecological damage and economic fall-out for all the people and the wildlife in the region.

And if you own a gas-powered car, buy anything that had to be flown/trucked/shipped in to wherever you bought it from, eat out at restaurants that cook with gas, heat your home with gas, etc. etc. etc., than YOU are as much a part of the problem as any "short-sighted conservative. So spare me your smug, sanctimonious BS.

B P shares anyone?

BP=BEST PHRIEND

fiscalconservative. Your, right we are all responsible since we all use the products you mentioned. But, there is also a difference in that many of us have been saying for years now we need to get off this stuff that is poisoning our atmosphere, our oceans and our lungs and funding those that want to destroy us. Then there were those that have been callling that BS and shouting drill baby drill. Which group have you been in? So its not sanctimonious BS, its reality and our actions count.

Let's quit beating up on ourselves for using oil products. The billionaire corporations running the show have a WELL OILED machine. There are a lot of incentives to keep the energy dependence on oil and disincentives for alternatives. That needs to change.

Lawrence Livermore Laboratories in California are developing Fusion. If they are successful, that means limitless energy at low cost. Tesla has been make 220 mile per gallon vehicles over the last two years. They recently took over the Toyota plant that closed down in California. They are developing ethanol from algae greenhouses, hydrogen from micro organisms, and developing paint on nanotech solar energy.

The Dick Cheney Where Are You???????

Just when we need the genius of the Dick we have nothing, he seems to be in hiding. Though I hear his former press secretary, or some other high position person, will be the apologist for the energy interests involved. Ann Kolton (pardon the spelling I could have her name slightly off, very close to Ann Coulter, too close for comfort) will now defend the BP and all interested parties. The party goes on..............

In any regards, it seems abundantly clear that we will have to wait for August which is, after all only a few months away. But, what is really worrisome is that some of these "relief wells" miss the mark and sometimes as many as five have had to be performed before a leak could be stopped. Now that is really cause for worry, if things were not bad enough.

Where Are You?.........................in a deep horizon bunker????????

I've reduced my consumption of energy for 20 years, but have also supported using our own energy resources. This is such a catastrophe because of a failure to have prepared for it!! After the Exxon Valdese incident ,oil companies should have been required to have contingency plans in place, but instead they pumped money into our "for sale" politicians (and that goes for both parties) and got what they wanted ,which is limited oversight. Too bad because as the Deepwater Horizon disaster proves, it wasn't near enough!!! Our current administration is just now seeming to sense the urgency of trying to contain this spill and that's yet another strike against them!!

One problem at BP is not really discussing. Fines for the spill are based on the amount of oil spilled. BP has consistently stuck with 5,000 bbls a day, knowing this was far too low, but has steadfastly refused to put a flow meter into the stream and has also refused to let the government or any independent scientists do so. So at this point, they have no idea of the oil flow.

While the volumes of oil coming out have gradually crept up, there is little doubt at this point that there is a great deal more oil coming out than anyone can measure. The current average estimated are 27,000 bbls a day.

Basically what this means is the BP has blinded itself. They have no idea what the pressures on the saw blade are and they have no idea what the pressured on the device will be. This will be like flying a jetliner a mile high with no working airspeed indicators and basing your actions on an airspeed estimate that is less than 20% of the true value. This would be impossible to do with a jet liner and will more than likely be virtually impossible for BP to do.

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave/when first we practice to deceive." BP is stuck with its statements, especially now. They must pretend that the flow is only 5000 bbls a day or face criminal prosecution for misleading the government. But if the cut-and-cap fails, then they fines go up with the increased volumes. And fines have a less-than-subtle way of influencing both civil and criminal penalties. Extremely high fines --- into the billions --- will insure that civil penalties are even higher, especially punitive penalties. High civil and punitive penalties will contribute to severe criminal penalties and sanctions.

Thanks, Nick, for your post.

People do not believe that the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 was authored by the oil industry under failed oil man, G.H.W. Bush and was designed to deflect as much damages as possible. But the key provision was that in the case of a spill at land or on the sea, the oil company is in complete charge or all efforts to stop the spill and all efforts to clean up the spill. Should to government do anything that BP can claim was "interference" with its process, then the government takes complete ownership of the problem. BP would claim that the taxpayer ownership would be retroactive to when the spill started and the government would claim that it started at the moment of the interference and effected only the plugging or the cleanup, but not necessarily both. Unfortunately, this SCOTUS is so activist and corporate-friendly that it would almost certainly side with BP.

Another thing that is not being discussed is the "dead zone." There was already a 7,000 sq mi dead zone in the Gulf from chemicals and oil residue from the Texas and Louisiana refineries, and from agricultural chemicals, municipal discharges, illegal discharges, and fertilizer runoff from the entire Mississippi Basin (which includes most of the central U.S.) There is nothing alive in the dead zone --- no fish, no crabs, no plankton, no coral, nada. This spill could add as much as 100,000 sq mi to the dead zone, much of it from the use of highly toxic dispersants. These dispersants were not intended to get rid of the oil. They do nothing to remove the oil. They were intended to keep the oil from the surface by breaking it up and changing its specific gravity. That way it would be more difficult to measure.

And the last thing that no one is talking about is that several survivors indicated that 8 BP safety execs were on the rig celebrating the rig's safety record (and giving safety bonuses to Transocean.) They were in a break room next to the mud room where the riser comes into the rig. They were reported to be using "ignition materials." This is rig speak for smoking. Their injuries were broken bones and flash burns. This is exactly the kind of injuries one would expect if they were at the exact center of the explosion. BP and Transocean have claimed that the methane cloud caused diesel engines to overrev, heat up, and explode. The problem with that story is that most people say that in such a scenario, the engines would die from lack of oxygen and even if the right oxygen/methane mix were achieved that it would take 20-30 minutes for manifolds to heat up that much. If these BP execs were smoking and caused the explosion, are they not guilty of first degree manslaughter in 11 counts?

just drill a hole through the pipe; send a rod through the two holes..then install a saddle cap on it..what's so hard about that..when dealing with pressure, garbage/ mud don't work..nothing works other than capping pressure, but what do I know..intellectuals and educated jerks have this figured out; NOT...,,,...grandmother was right; the more educated they become, the dummer they become...DUMMIES !!!...dad was also right; if they had a brain, they take it out and blow it up..just a little sic cynical humor; In a Colossal Tragedy..Like Jesus; I feel for all the poor/ common people right now..they never saw it coming...

pss't,,,,,,,,,I know, SHUT UP !!!...

Put some explosives down the hole and blow it up.......Way down the hole

Let's test your theory first. Please bend over.

Are we really reporting on every nuance and move in this? Maybe all your anxieties would ease if you stopped gorging yourselves on every little nugget of info regarding the well.

The headline says it all. Next story.

Excellent post (#1.32), Chris-749391.

If these oil companies were not forced by the environmentalist lobby to drill a mile over the ocean floor, perhaps we would not be dealing with this problem. You can line up windmills from ship to shinola...the bottom line is that oil is the lifeblood of this country.

Perhaps drilling on land is the wiser option.

I would think that some one would ask a logger before trying to saw this pipe in cleanly

I would have tried to reduce the overhead weight before trying to make a finish cut

He said that if government oversight wasn't tough enough, that will change, too.

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If? LMAO. This has already been proven. Government oversight was lax. Why? Because all the government employees, not just the regulators but members of Congress and the folks (both Repubs and Dems) in the White House have been in bed with the oil companies for decades. If this was an adult movie......well I'll leave that to your imagination.

Fred (post 1.31) I agree wholeheartedly with you.

Why are all the small government Conservatives calling on the Federal Government to bail out BP? Doesn't big business know how to take care of everything? Florida should get BP to protect them.

If only we could shove Barry's ego into the well. It's large enough to plug any hole.

Look it took 9 months to cap themexican blowout and we have had several on land. This one is a mile deep in really cold water. What BP is doing is everything known about how to stem the problem. And that is very little. Once they said the relief well was the answer now thay say maybe not and that will not occur until August. The administration convinced them to drill two relief wells instead of one in case both are needed. whats gonna happen there is whats gonna happen. BP does not wnt any more damage they have to pay for. The administration is only the whipping boy by the political opponents and some at BP wishing they could drop this baby on the tax payers. All the skimmer and boats that can be utilized are on this and it is still going to be a bad thing for the gulf. Jindle needs to shut up. There are laws that say you cannot erect barrier islands without studies however if a state can see imminent danger the state has the right to circumvent that so all he is doing is posturing like he did with the stimulus money.

Here in the States there is no more cheap oil to speak of. We either used it or sold it. Now the oil that can be had is expensive to produce or is dangerous to get at like this one. We all like to drive and have to. The oil companies have always played us for suckers. I remember gas at 35 cents a gallon. Now the sand oil costs 75 bucks a barrel to produce. When so called liberals yell about alternative energy the southern states who make big bucks from oil scream. Its time t come to our senses. This is a major problem that will not be solves easily. Even if they get lucky and cap the thing today it will be months if not years for them to make a dent in the damage. I along with the rest of you hate the fact that one of our treasures has been marred. At this point reason should kick in. It is going to be a long hard road back from where we are now and the one thing I hope we get out of this is smarter.

Tappy...

I think it's called "Stop the f*cking leak!!"

Tappy - the spill is from a Federal Gov't lease. The Federal Gov't profits just like BP, transocean, etc.

They don't let the states keep the lease revenue. So the Federal Gov't has some responsibility for the cleanup as well.

These ideas are all great, however NONE OF THEM WILL WORK. This fiasco has happened once before and this is the only way to fix it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37358255#37368377

Really excellent article on Newsweek today:

Why Won't Washington Write Rules?

Says a lot about how we got in this mess.

"If these oil companies were not forced by the environmentalist lobby to drill a mile over the

ocean floor,..." Hogswallup! The Bush-Cheney 'Start a Little Oil War' using 'WMD' war crimes

to destroy the huge Iraqi oil supply, which Saddam was Oil for Food'ing at $12/bbl and sold

at $15/bbl, until the Saudi princes told Bush-Cheney (publicly), 'We want oil at $25/bbl', that

was their profits target, so Cheney fired up his 'yellow cake' and exposed our top agent in

Iraq, Valerie Plame, who knew Cheney was lying, and then the 'Shekinah' (Hebrew for G-d's

temple) began, which the West spells 'Shock and Awe', and it had the effect of spiking oil

prices by 1000%, and increasing profits and middleman brokerage fees by 1000%, so that

certainly made the Chosen of G-d happy! Then as oil soared past $65/bbl, the Athabaskan

tar sands started into cratered moonscape tar lakes so big you can see them from space.

Then as oil soared past $100/bbl, the deep water drillers began drilling, because up

until Cheney's little 'Shekihah' it was not economically feasible to do so. Today, thanks

to Cheney's lies, perjuries and war crimes, Americans are paying an excess $1B every day

in oil profits to our enemies the Saudis, who are building vast developments in their world,

and accumulating unimaginable wealth, $500 million of which found its way to Dick Cheney.

Don't EVER say that environmental regulations forced deepwater drilling. Just the opposite!

Dick Cheney is still walking around as free as a billion dollar jay bird, whistling doodle-y-doo,

while our kids are still fighting and dying in 'Ir-Af-Pk' to keep the price of crude oil higher.

German President Kohler was just forced to resign for publicly pointing out that truth!!!

For those who are asking, somewhat cynically, "Where is Dick Cheney?" BP just hired him as an "image consultant" for an "undisclosed amount" to manage their media relations. So now Cheney is getting money from the federal government (retirement), Haliburton (deferred compensation that is no longer deferred) and BP. Talk about in bed --- might as well be a three-way gay marriage.

Ryan- I am certain he was gonna git-er-done but the party of no wouldn't let him. LOL JJ

They drilled that deep because that's where they found the oil field, it's not reachable closer to the coast, so the theory that it would be better being closer does not jibe. Also as Ixtoc proved, even being 150ft down, they STILL took forever to get it closed up. Now you would think that they learned something over the years, but until they can prove that they have multiple redundant backup systems, and that they are insuring that they work, by constant testing and inspection, it really doesn't make much sense to just say business as usual.

Given how short a time it took us to build the Atomic bomb, from being technologically behind in WWII, I have no doubt that if we actually concentrated our resources as a country on alternative energy sources, that we could find several solutions that would work more effectively than oil. Why are we giving huge tax breaks and incentives to oil companies? They are already making huge amounts of money, and not being apologetic about it.

How much money does it cost to go find a new oil field, and give how hard it is to get (all the easy stuff is gone), and how long, I have a REALLY hard time believe that money and time spent on these ultra deep wells, would not get the same result with alternative energy sources. Then we can export that tech to the rest of the world, and make a tidy profit. What the hell is the matter with that?

After billions in tax breaks and incentives, BP kept shorthanding safety and cutting corners but yet continued to post billions in profits. Good way to showcase your greed.

Over the past six weeks, the well has leaked anywhere from 21 million to 45 million gallons by the government's estimate.

The Exxon spill was 10.8 million gallons. Wow just wow. 2 more months of this could be 63 million to 135 million before it gets stopped. But I bet the leak is flowing alot more than what they are telling us. There is no way in hell all that oil will just stay in the Gulf and the east coast. It will head all over the world sooner or later.

Boycott All BP stations let them sell the oil elsewhere. In California it is all the Am Pm stations.

Guess lake fish is going to go through the roof. Stupid drill baby drill idiots (republicans) Yet the blind still will want to blame Obama.

No more tax breaks build high speed Electric trains Nationwide and move to Natural Gas CNG folks. Or a mix CNG to electric hybrid.

Here is my solution to the gulf oil spill. It is a non toxic, biodegradable substance that can clean oil off of almost any substance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbTglNfEMTI

Here is my solution to the gulf oil spill. It is a non toxic, biodegradable substance that can clean oil off of almost any substance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbTglNfEMTI

joeyfromcali,

You say

"Stupid drill baby drill idiots (republicans) Yet the blind still will want to blame Obama."

Obama voted for the current energy policy. Clinton, Biden and McCain voted against it.

See roll call for HR 6 (Energy Policy Act of 2005) found at:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00213

How is the Government going to prosecute BP for a problem miles underwater when they can't even stop mexicans from hopping over a fence?

onlyfactsmatter taken from the hr-6 bill link you posted

H.R.6 Amendment authorizes $20 million for installation of a photovoltaic solar electric system at the headquarters of the Department of Energy.

Just one part of it. sometimes our State senators have to vote for what they can get passed and compromise. Unlike other senators (republican)who just vote no on anything the other party tries. Guess you are trying to point out Obama is not as far left as the loonies try to make him look. since he did compromise and voted on the Hr-6 bill

It would be great if the Republican party would actually look at a bill and help us to get away from Drill baby Drill Palin thinking. But they will not even to the detriment of their voting block. We can spin the HR-6 bill anyway we want to. It does not eliminate the actual video statments all over the news with Palin and other republicans Mccain attempting to blame Obama. For 8 years of a Republican Administration who enacted executive orders. Not only to enter us into a war in Iraq. But to give Haliburton contracts (Cheney) And to weaken restrictions for big oil.

Also Your president Obama was voted in by over twice the amount of electoral votes as Mccain. Now either he won by a landslide or the republicans cant even mark a circle right. To cast the proper vote. Give Obama 8 years to attempt to correct the huge deficit Bush left behind.

Call the republican senator and tell him to create some jobs and actually pass something. Oh and if this was just a republican idea wow how conservative is 20 million for solar panels on the headquarters alone at the dept. of Energy.

joeyfromcali, why boycott BP stations? What did these station owners ever do to us? Why punish the small bussiness man? While you're at it, boycott every gas station in America. Not one single station cares who barge comes into port as long as they can get their share of product to feed our unquenchable thirst for fossil fuels.

While you're at it, throw out damn near every item in and around your house out. Never know if BP petroleum was used in the creation of the 6000 items it helps create and that we use every day.

Unless you go live in a cave without any possesions, your boycott of BP stations will only be an empty gesture and hurt the small bussiness man.

joeyfromcali,

Obama did not compromise when he voted for the bill. It passed by a 2 to 1 margin. He supported it. Others did not support it and I mentioned them previously.

My post was not intended to spin anything. It was intended to put real information in front of people who were reading your post.

onlyfactsmatter

Clinton was the one who gave away the oil leases for free in the Gulf-FACT! Dems were the one then who started drill baby drill in the Gulf-FACT! So now lets get past politics and find a way to save what we can of our wildlife. I still say put explosive on a wire and push them down a few hundred feet into the well and blow it up and collapse the well. Then fill what's left with cement. Who cares if BP can never get this oil. What will happen if this leak starts again ten years after BP caps it currently?

The faith I had in technology has all but faded thanks to the "We can't" attitude of this whack job and his leadership, never has so little been done by so many to cause so much trouble to so many others.

Can we get ourselves a real prez before we go into a full fledged world war?....this guy doesn't even know which side he's on.

at bob stfu dude this shouldnt be his problem to deal with he BP and haliburten need to get off there a**** and do something and chief-1548815 keep being awesome. lol

Don;t buy BP products .

The mindless chant "Drill, Baby Drill", Sarah Palin...Nuff said

ctdad: OK, but why would we expect anything good from the likes of British Petroleum? I'm more focused on the Liar-in-Chief who, over the past 43 days, has been criss-crossing the country for Democratic fundraising gigs, campaigning in every place OTHER than the Gulf region including Youngstown OH, Buffalo NY, Norfolk VA, Pittsburgh PA, vacationing in Asheville NC and Chicago, and wining/dining the Mexicans at the WH. He should be focused like a lazar on this major national catastrophe. As the most powerful man in the world, he has access to the best oil/gas experts, the "best and the brightest" of the most prestigious institutions in the country, if not the world, and the highest foreign government officials who may share their valuable past experiences in this kind of situation. The fact of the matter is that he just doesn't give a @!$%# until he is forced to open that ugly yap again. Shame on you, America, for delivering this scourge onto our doorstep. God help the people of the Gulf. God help us all.

sw1detroit: Now I understand why your city is such a perennial, stinking basket case. It's abundantly clear now. It was man/woman who stupidly brought the oil to the surface, where it was never intended to be. Nature will take care of this? Nature is sick and tired of the folly of the human race. Nature is gonna sit this one out, and who could blame it this time? Fuggedaboutit. You ain't see nuthin yet.

Witchking and joeyfromcali, etal: Hello! Sarah Palin, John McCain, George Bush, and Dick Cheney are not running the country. Just who the hell is?

BP secretary: Boss, one of our gulf platform exploded and is on fire.

Boss: Call Pappy, he'll fix it.

BP Manager: Grandpa Pappy, what do we do?

Pappy: Why, simple. Build a big box, lower on top of it and siphon the oil out.

Days later--

BP Manager: Grandpa Pappy, it didn't work, cause the gas crystal plugged up the hole.

Pappy: Why, simple. Build a small box with a small hole connecting to warm water-alcohol mix.

Days later--

BP Manager: Grandpa Pappy, it didn't work, same result as the big box.

Pappy: Why, simple. Use Top-Kill, you know, pump mud and concrete cement on that darn thing.

Days later:

BP Manager: Grandpa Pappy, it didn't work, it's still leaking.

Pappy: Why, simple. Slice off the damaged riser pipe and attach a new pipe.

BP Manager: Grandpa Pappy, why didn't you think of this before?

Pappy: Why, simple. Job security, son.

I don't know how a BOP works or how it is installed but can you place another one in the general area and connect the dysfunctional to the functional?

Connect a series of valves to slowly cut down the flow till its stopped. little by little? Or would that increase the pressure?

What about a valve that pulses? Lets the pressure build up to a point and then release and build up and release till it decreases?

well, i must give Cameron credit for at least saying it in public....."morons". Any moron can tell you .... 1 st try was to put a lol...."box over it"...blew that box right off, so what moron thought shooting mud into it was going to be any diffrent? Thus, even tho Cameron isnt really one of my most loved people, cometimes because of his attitude, he and his crew have some outstanding under water talent. BP ahould have taken any type of input or help he had to offer with open arms, instead, look at them.

Over a month into this, and where is it at now? same place it was when it happend. BP seems more interested in f'ing around trying the cheapest way out of this rather than fixing the problem long term.

A box? sh!t beeve, even if the box (a f'ing joke, and a credit to how our current admin runs things), was blown right off, the pressure from the oil going into it, would have blown out any type of seal it had from the bottom rim...

shoot mud and rubber into it? c'mon, where did BP find the people to solve these types of problems, the special olympics? if the pressure was strong enough to blow the box right off, what morons though this idea would work?

Cutting and capping, well thats still a good idea. pipe is cut 1/2 way thru, keep at it till its cut, even if it take 5 more trys....whats cheaper, a saw, or this spill to continue? cap the freakin thing and be done.

NOW, we are looking at MAYBE august, when they try to do a 1 in a million attempt, wtf is wrong with these people?

Im sry, but when i heard about the "box" idea...i had a real good feeling these clowns were not going to have this fixed any time soon. If they cant see it, it isnt a problem right?

Plain Bob, as of yesterday I cannot buy BP products locally (not that I would support them anyway) since the three BP stations we had seem to be Shell Oil now!

Miami post reports Obama admin allows drilling to begin on yet another near off shore rig in the Gulf. They also confirm that over time the oil will travel up the gulf stream over to Europe, past France and into the Med. So here we go a European based company screws up its oil well and ultimately messes up the beaches in Europe and the U.S. gets the blame because we have a gutless administration. Go Figure.

Sounds like Cameron is yet another brain-washed Hollywood apologist for the inept and incompetent Obama administration. Why doesn't Cameron criticize Obama as well as British Petroleum? If Cameron is such a highly regarded deep sea specialist and if he can produce these other deep sea expert contacts, (a) why didn't the Obama administration solicit his assistance or, alternatively, (b) why wasn't Cameron more aggressive in pressuring the WH for his assistance? The fact that the US would be dependent in any way for technical assistance from a Hollywood movie director to resolve a national catastrophe of epic proportions, unprecedented in our history, serves as a depressing statement of our second rate status as a nation. Disgusting.

s1wdetroit - you are an idiot! You must work for an oil company. Yes, oil has been around for billions of years and will continue to be here once the human race has died. Although oil is a natural material, it is not natural for ecosystems to suddenly be deluged with crude oil. The flora and fauna in these ecosystems did not evolve drenched in a sea of oil. It doesn't matter how "natural" oil might be. It's toxic to life forms that did not evolve in the presence of oil.

It's no wonder these bumbling idiots caused an epic oil spill. I just wish it happened near their shoreline.

Screw those pompous Brits!! Their booty dragging is dirtying our coast line. The oil leak should have been stopped by now. They have come up the highly absurd ideas on how to stop the leak. How about they pay for 100% of the clean up and loss revenue. Them bastards. Even I, who is in no way an engineer, can come up with better ideas than using garbage to seal a leak. Have they even thought imploding the well? Bend the pipe like you would a garden hose? If they'd quit drinking tea and eating crumpets for a few minutes, maybe they'll actually come up with something a little more educated. And listen to Mr. Cameron!!

What a bunch of bumbling fools. First BP for not having the engineers to think outside the box to contain this leak. BP should have contingency plans for ANY sort of disaster.

Second - this administration is a group of total idiots. Instead of working towards a solution, they are in a fingerpointing campaign of destruction. Our messianic leader has no leadership ability therefore when a crisis occurs nothing gets done. The only solution is ACTION! Action requires working together, not playing word games and the blame game.

I'm ashamed at the current group of fools running this country. We used to be great! We placed men on the moon but can't contain a leak. What happened to American exceptionalism? It died in 2008 because we have no leader.

Orlando Fabelo

Good response Al. Conservatives view of the world can be so short sighted. They use the same argument for carbon dioxide emissions. Its natural so it must be good. Ignorance is so dangerous and today more then ever.

Typical liberal response? At no point did he say it was "good for the environment". I don't recall arguing carbon dioxide emissions are good for the environment either. His argument is that oil leaks naturally all the time. After millions of years you'd think we'd have tarballs EVERYWHERE. But we don't, do we? Why is the the libs can only debate when they're making up lies about the conservatives? Do you not have any facts? This issue should be an EASY one.

Why would you take a picture of a fat kid with his buttcrack showing? Geez

excaliburgc Fellow have you ever worked with 15,000 pounds of pressure. It separates the men from the boys on the surface much less 5000 ft below the surface.

I am going to miss South Louisiana. I work off and on in that country from Morgan City to the Jump south of Venus, LA for two years. After learning how to deal with the snakes, mosquitoes and the heat it was a great place to work. The oyster beds around Lake Washington were great. I carried souse and cracker in my work boat at all times. If meal time came to far from a kitchen I would have my fill of fresh oysters. Oh Yes, a good bottle of wine was always a pleasure with my meal.

This is no place to vent your anger at the government regardless of how screwed up it is. Put you energy in stopping the leak. If we can send a man to the moon we can stop this leak. You will be surprised how many oil well fixes are done by floor hands just because a little common sense prevailed.

Stacy1128 -

In total agreement with you and your ideas - however the reason BP (bumbling pus*ys)

won't plug the leak and stop the flow of oil is because they are still more interested in

collecting the oil so they can sell it. It is ALWAYS about the mighty fu*king dollar!!!

A local radio host has a gem: "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." To wit: We could have had oil pumped in to the lower 48 states from Alaska via a pipeline. The enviro-weenies didn't want a pipeline, so it had to be shipped via Valdez - we know what happened then in 1989. Then, we can't do drilling in more shallow water where it's safer and more easily accessible. So we go to the deep water - now look what's happening. The government and environmentalists have been harping for decades and yet NO ONE had a freakin' plan on what to do??? Give me a break - I thought the government could do anything...at least that's what we've been led to believe...

Thad Allen should be held to blame this is his mess!!!!

This is "THAD ALLENS" mess!!!

I have a question?

Why are they putting the device over the pipe?

They has previously said that 1) the degree of success was highly dependent on the cleanness of the cut. And now they have a ragged mess. 2) They had also said that they could not clamp the device tightly around the pipe because it might crimp it. and 3) They had said that the riser pipe was actually a pipe-within-a-pipe and that it would not possible to get a seal to the inside pipe.

Why did they not place the device so it could be sealed at the fairing?

The fairing is obviously much more substantial. Evan a ragged cut of the riser would not effect the seal. And there are grip surfaces (the lower edge of the fairing) that can be used to anchor the device and an smooth outer surface to which to seal.

I fully understand that there might be issues that I do not understand, but this one defies me. I am beginning to see Cameron's description of these guys as morons.

I think they should have just cut the riser any way they could and then used the fairing of the joint as the contact surface for the recovery device. That way they could have clamped down hard on a much more substantial surface without danger of crimping the riser and could have moved clamps to the underside of the fairing to keep pressure from blowing it off.

I am not one of those "throw hay in the water then burn the hay people" who see easy answers to complex problems, but this one defies me. It is almost as if they want to fail.

Does anyone know why they are attaching the recovery device to the riser instread of to the fairing where the riser is connected to the BOP?

I heard serveral days ago on the news that it would take 6-9 months to build the islands. What good would that do?

I would like to read something on the actual environmental damage this has done. Someone said there is arsenic in oil...you are a f**king moron. Stop using far right tactics to try to make this out to be a Trenoble type incident. There's benzine (among other toxic organic compounds) in oil, that are highly volatile and will be gone in no time.

I'm not advocating oil on beaches or in marshes, but this is not Armageddon kids. The Exxon Valdeez oil was concentrated in Prince William Sound, and in the same small area the ecosystem thrives today! http://www.valdezalaska.org/history/oilSpill.html http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/topic_subtopic_entry.php?RECORD_KEY%28entry_subtopic_topic%29=entry_id,subtopic_id,topic_id&entry_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=239&subtopic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=13&topic_id(entry_subtopic_topic)=1

In the subtropical climate of the Gulf the weathering of the oil will be faster than in Prince William Sound. This gusher will eventually be stopped, it will be cleaned up, and the Gulf will return to business as usual after a few years. In that time, the clean up effort will be extensive and will easily subsidize the economy from any loss in tourism. And don't worry, BP will pay for this --I'm guessing ~$10billion.

This is good news - these guys are under a lot of pressure and working through the challenge. Yes yes it a shame and horrible, but given that they are progressing with their options.

Now what I find interesting is that the Coast Guard stated "we" successfully cut off the pipe. So the Government has taken ownership of the issue... Another subtle point not lost I'm sure on many, is they pointed out now that there is success, Obama is coming to access the progress. In other words he is coming to share in the glory photo op. The guy's approach to self promotion sickens me...

This is "THAD ALLENS" mess let him clean it up!!!!

Chris, I am also at a loss as to why they chose to sheer it so quickly. The saw worked for hours. Yes it got stuck and took hours to get it unstuck, but it also made a clean slice much of the way through the riser. They should have started cutting again from the other side of the riser considering the clean cut was important for the success of sealing the siphoning tube.

Oh spare me BP. A significant step forward?

You stepped in something. That we know for sure.

Bush and Cheney better get on it and get out there and help out with this mess. They created this situation so I find it disgusting that they are hiding in the shadows instead of stepping forward and offering to help solve their problem.

Americans are hopeful this cap move will be successful...This catastrophe is a mutual failure of both the private and public sectors. It is heavyhanded (and the wrong focus) for an equally unprepared public sector to come in at the eleventh hour and then cry criminal against the oil company. The government was mutually to blame for this failure, one now in its 45th day.

Elaine:

The public sector, including State Government, has been offering assistance and BP has been turning them away.

Look at the picture...the pipe joint is right there...how complex can it be to put a sleeve over the pipe and secure it under the lip of the joint...they need to run 2 lines...1 which would be used to divert the oil up to the ship and a 2nd that will be hydraulic to serve to lock the sleeve into place...Hydraulic fluid does not freeze...If it does, the robots would not be able to function...

If obama's ears weren't so big , they could plug the leak with his big head!

Now that the pressure has been released by the removal of the riser pipe, why not use the robotic diamond-edged saws immediately, so as to create a finished surface without a jagged edge to more effectively siphon off as much oil as possible until the relief wells can be drilled.

How do you plan to foam over a pipe that is flowing an incompressible liquid at 10K psi?

CtDdad, your idea is close to what BP is attempting. The problem is

1.)can they get a proper seal on the riser.

2.)Is the collection pipe large enough to contain the pressurized oil w/o blowing off.

Apply James Cameron's butt hole directly over the BOP...all of his hot air will counter the pressure from the well while they pump in avatar body parts...problem solved...err wait we already tried this...???

The image shows a flange connection. Why didn't undo the flange to remove the damaged pipe and then attach a flanged cap? Is this so simply no one thought of it. It is some thing they could have tested while they were doing everything else.

Would like to see a response,

River Dog, If only it were so. Sadly, the public sector is pixilated yet again. Rather than getting in there early, cooperatively and collaboratively to be a helpful partner in the catastrophe that it mutually failed to plan (adequately) for, it seems that the usual political games predominate, and those who can't perform just talk and cry criminal. So sad and the big losers are the people of the gulf and the American people. Again. In day 45.

I was hoping the when Eric Holder went down there he would just stick his head in the pipe and get it stuck plugging it. That would certainly have made more sense than him going down there in the first place since all he could do was threaten people with litigation, not take an active part in the clean-up. Thank goodness POTUS is going back down again. Maybe he can help build the berm or clean up the beaches or whatever rather than worry about pointing fingers on who is to blame. Put your energy into fixing it, then deal with whose fault it is I always say.

Show of hands, please. How many of you out there are still buying BP Gas? How many of you believe this is just a "dog and pony show" and BP doesn't have a clue what they are doing?

BP plans to recover all of the oil that leaked. They just have to figure how to get all the dead birds and shrimp out of it.

Have one right down the street... wouldn't pull up to one of their pumps if they paid me. But I'm not the one that needs to be paid... they can start with offering REAL compensation to the fishing industry. And then... they can start to pay for the destruction of the planet. Somehow, I don't think even BP has enough dough to do that.

Looks like a flange below the cut. Why don't they unbolt the flange and replace it with a new flange and a Jamesbury 24"Wafersphere valve #830W-1122HBX2C 24". Get that bolted in place and turn the valve to OFF.

Where are the supertankers that should be ringing the Gulf as we speak to help with the containment?

If the oil is now too spread out to use these supertankers, why are thy bothering to have these boats out there trying to mop (LOL) the oil up off the surface of the water?

Would it be better to have the supertankes syphoning up those plumes of oil underwater?

Why didn't they bring the supertankers to the area from day 1?

Wonder how much more oil is gushing into the Gulf now they have cut off the pipe?

Thought I heard it is only 20% more gushing? Does anyone believe that?

Would it be more like 100% more? After all there is now nothing in the way impeding the gushing? Hmmmmm

Again when will they get someone to take over and coordinate the containment and cleanup like General Honore? Then Bp can concentrate on the capping of the Gulf Gusher, and writing cheques for the cost of the ongoing cleanup/containment job?

Isn't it time to get rid of the cronism and nepotism and favor/legacy employees that seem to litter these agencies and seem to be in position of power and not being able to do the job? MMA/MMS anyone? hmmmm LOL

Why is it that these folks in some of the southern states talking out of both sides of their mouths? On one hand they want the cleanup, containment, and capping of the Gulf Gusher, yet they seem to be against the moritorium.

If MMA/MMS was not doing their jobs including the safety checks, environmental impact etc of these rigs/digs etc in the past why would anyone in their right mind want these rigs and digs not to be stopped so they can be inspected/checked?

If Louisiana is going to lose a lot of money and jobs due to the moritorium in the short term, aren't they losing even more jobs and money from this Gulf Gusher in the short term and in the long term when the environment -marshes, wetlands etc- are so bespoiled by the Gulf Gusher that this breadbasket (of spawning ground/habitat for fish etc) cannot repair its self nor protect Louisiana etc? Hmmmm

BP should have gotten as many supertankers from any other oil companies or countries that had them to spare and ringed the Gulf........ Now look at the mess that their greed and pennypinching have caused?

Yeah the oil slick and plumes are now on their merry way up the coast and no doubt will be eventually seen on the eastcoast as well as the islands of the Caribbean....... BP, Transocean and Halliburton's bill has just gotten bigger.......

Did these oil folks and othr corporations (and Congress/state govt etc for that matter) think that this is some backward third world/developing country that they can throw a few bucks and a promise and we the citizens roll over and let them do what they want to do?

I wonder if these oil folks et al remember that there are those folks in this country that actually take the time and Vote? Hmmmmm

Republicans on the Vine still trying to spin Palins Drill baby Drill statement. Thank God she did not become our VP. Here is an idea why not send Palin to the gulf. So she can show them how to fix this she has all the answers right.

How conservative this mess is! Florida and all the rest of the Gulf will end up paying the piper the most. Push these oil cronies into the brink. And GW is now on facebook trying to protect his image? You far Rights are just as scary as the far lefts. Do we have anyone in office that actually thinks for themselves instead of letting their party decide for them?

I am so tired of the republican party saying that they are conservative when they have cost the US taxpayer more than the Democratic party. Want proof look at our National Debt. 8 years folks executive orders by GW Bush led us to it. Deficit when the current Admin took office. And crisis after crisis since.

Hey Dick I was looking at it and thought the same thing. Must be to easy.

First boycotting BP only puts the small businessman out of business and will not hurt the Company. Second, this Brit Company everyone keeps saying-40% British owned, 39% American owned, 10% Asian owned balance spread around.

Here is a substance that has the ability to help clean up the gulf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbTglNfEMTI

Here is a substance that has the ability to help clean up the gulf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbTglNfEMTI

this is pretty amazing! i wonder how it would work over a large area? maybe you should be trying to reach the authorities that might have some ability to implement it. i've been reading these posts and yours seem to be one of the only ones that wasn't interested in blaming someone or just demanding 'stop the leak!' without any concept of how difficult it is. no doubt BP would stop this leak instantly if they could. i know they're stinking rich and this will probably barely put a dent in their obscene profits, but being the greedy b..st.rds that they are, every drop they lose is money out of their pockets. i'm hoping that we 'siphon' off a lot more of their profits before this is over. it's going to be a looooooooooooooong haul before this will be over and the lawsuits will be endless. good.

there was a post about some real cutting edge science going on right now to wean us off oil. i've read the same articles and it is really exciting stuff, but only people who are into science magazines are seeing this. there is no reason that we should be using oil 20 yrs from now. and we, as consumers, have so much more power than we could ever understand. we could easily force companies to work towards a greener earth just by choosing who we buy our goods from. it's unrealistic to say that we should all stop buying gas, or turning on our lights, etc. but, those people who CAN afford to buy a new car, think about it and use your buying power to send a message to the manufacturers by buy a hybrid or some other car with alternative fuel. for those who CAN afford to add solar panels to your house, do it. it can only help you personally, and all of us collectively. i, unfortunately, am not in a position to make a lot of changes in my life, but i am doing what i can. i now use cloth bags for my groceries. a little thing, but for every plastic bag i don't use, it's one step closer. if everyone did that, it would have a huge impact. i won't buy my gas from exxon or bp. that might mean i have to spend a little more, so i will. i'm one person but think of the power if we all did it. there are other things we can do to lessen our dependence on oil. it's not this generation i'm concerned with. i have a granddaughter and she is my hope for the future. she is a beautiful child with the whole world ahead of her. i want her to be able to breath clean air, so she doesn't have to worry about developing asthma. i want her to have plenty of clean water to drink. i want her to be able to travel and see all the beautiful places that this world have to offer. but, if i don't do my little part, if we all don't do our little parts, our childrens' children will be saddled with an ice age, or an overheated planet, or maybe even a dying planet. it's never too late, and no act is too little. so, why don't all the conservatives and liberals out there put your boxing gloves away, stand shoulder to shoulder and work together.

They should try and linning the well head with some tanks full of nitrogen. possibly freezing the oil and water might be enough to stop it flowing. Also it maybe easier to clean the oil from the water if its been turned to a slush and not scattering around.

This is good news.

Just heard on one of the news programs that BP is so interconnected with the federal govt for years now that it is rediculous.

Did you all know that BP is the supplier of oil/ gas to the Fed govt including the Military? Hmmmm

So when the talk was that BP should not be allowed anymore govt contract....... the company may have been more afraid of that than a boycott.

Perhaps one should call one's lawmaker and start pressuring them to not allow BP anymore contracts with the govt. That would hurt them more than the billions they are supposedly going to have to pay out in fines and compensation to make the country whole imo.

Lets face it, it is going to be years..... maybe in your grandchildren's lifetime before any of these cases are settled. It took 20 plus years for the Exxon Valdez case and it appears that they are still fighting to decrease the fines/making the area whole thingy.

One can therefore extrapulate that the likelyhood of BP, Transocean, Halliburton making the Gulf and all the affected states whole in any timely fashion is thin to slim imo.

Even if they did actually spend the billions of dollars to make all areas whole, it is doubtful that this is going to make any financial difficulty for these companies with all the tax breaks and other corporate welfare that they get every year even as they have been making gynormous profits. It is just six of one, half a dozen of another. LOL

What is amazing is that BP like many other oil companies drills for oil in this country, harvests this oil from this country's landspace/seaspace, then sells the oil on the world market, to be bought by this country....... LOL

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I would like to recommend some of you "would be scientists" with your wonderful suggestions please go take thermodynamics, chemistry, and heat transfer at your local college so that you could understand the enormity of the problems. Your comments that state we should just do something like blow it up already (talk about risky - the rising pressure wave within the well chamber would not seal the well, it would very likely open the channel larger increasing the flow) are harebrained and poorly thought out. Ignorance at all levels among the media and the public are amplifying the frustration in solving this problem. Further hand wringing will not help the solution. If it helps you to cope then please do so quietly.

"Confronting one of the biggest tests of his presidency as his party girds for tough congressional elections in November, the White House said Obama called off a trip to Australia and Indonesia set for this month to focus more on the oil spill and other matters."

Michelle and the kids are going to be pissed.

You know what is hilarious and is not even being talked about is the President's first response to this crisis was to send lawyers to the Gulf region. How perfectly reflective of this administration. I guess if that's all you know.....

This disaster is not all BP's fault! At least half the blame can be directly traced back to our government's failure to do inspections because inspectors were too busy looking at porn on the internet.

If charges are to be brought against BP then they should also be brought against the inspectors.

And questions need to be asked as to why the government allowed drilling in such deep water where a spill would be a huge disaster when there are so many safer places to drill!

Jindal is the problem. He first refuses federal economic assistance and now wants federal funding to pay for the cleanup and for reparations to folks in his state. Two faced flip flopper. Jindal needs to get off his dead rear end and state needs from state coffers - since that is his policy position. What a loser.

Obama,

I'm appointing a special blue ribbon panel to study the problem and fin out what action is going to get me the most votes next time around.

No more votes for obama or his party to do nothing potical hacks...

Witchking

The mindless chant "Drill, Baby Drill", Sarah Palin...Nuff said

um, you realize a few weeks before this happened, obama approved more drilling in the gulf? nuff said.

The US has millions of people with thier unemployment ended, and many other who still need work.

Since the tourist season in the these three states has been completely shut down, how about British Petroleum's paying for a couple of hundred completely empty hotels along the coast to house several hundred thousand, to a million workers to come to these gulf sates to clean up as much of this mess as possible.

With government guidance and BP paying, have greyhounds, or cheap airlines bring the workers, supply the work outfits, clean the work outfits, supply the needed clean up materials, boats what ever else is needed. Pay weekly, have food allowances, and the hotels so that this nation can as a nation quickly respond to the coming disaster.

If you have a back hoe, or any other needed vehicle,boat, what ever, you would be paid to bring it, and work again by BP.....

It's time to react now so that when the crude starts showing up, the nation can meet it with force not heads down.

This will put money into hands of workers out of work, hotels and the economies of those who's lively hood has been taken away. All we need is some one to coordinate this, and BP, and the oil company if necessary to pay for this. Do it now. And pay the workers enough money to make it worth every ones while.

Why is this latest development such a surprise....Our gov't has sat complacent while they've allowed BP to run the show...Over 40 Days later, we are still no closer...despite capping the well...People have indicated that BP is doing what they can to stop the leak..BS IMO...But what about containment...As I predicted, SH&T is hitting fan now because it's hitting the beaches of FL...Beaches that provide a beautiful view for high priced realstate....Now you're going to see action..but late...And here's another thing...Oh my the oil is now projected to go up the East Coast and perhaps go across the Atlantic...DUH, it's hit the Gulf Stream, it doesn't take an subject matter expert to understand where the oil will impact...simply look at the already documented Gulf stream and how it flows...

I'm ashamed to be an American, when I see how the people of LA have basically been foresaken by our gov't...They've basically been fkd by Washington and BP...

My prayers go out to these people and come November, I highly recommend booting every incumbent out of office because of the level of visibility, or lack of, they've given this ECO tragedy...This should be a clear indicator of their concern for the people they represent. They do not deserve to represent us...

I can not believe so many people agreed with this selfish and ignorant statement below:

"Hello all, Oil is a natural resource of nature, it was here billion of year before man and will be here billions of year after we are gone, so there is no need to fear this, nature will resolve this issue, if we don't - Opps! I forgot some of us think we going to live for ever, I got news for YA! the dust from your bones eventually will be converted into Oil"

Are you kidding me? It was a natural part of the earth until we brought it up from underground and did not have plans in place to protect the land and water afterwards.

I think people need to educate themselves of the macro-level impact of this spill sinced its hit the Gulf Stream...LA and FL only represent a portion of the overall impact of this spill...Here's some info depicting the current flow of the Gulf Stream...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_Stream

All of you are making far to much of this oil spill. It can be cleaned up and contained very easily. All that needs to be done is, put Obama in the water. He sucks.

I'm just so glad that BP is 'encouraged', I'll be damn happy as will everyone else when the damn thing is plugged AND cleaned up!

Bet anyone that if this cap works, Odumbo will take the credit for it!

Most of us Monday Morning QB's have a lot of ideas of what we would do. I say, great for all who are knowledgeable in marine biology and chemical and mechanical engineering. Since most of us have limited knowledge on what can and should be done, we rely on what seems like the best idea from any crackpot or opportunist that gets the microphone shoved in their face. We have heard just seal it with this or seal it with that, only to see it fail. Where was the genius that said just plug it with concrete. Well they did that and it failed.

The bottom line and truth of the matter is that BP as well as other oil companies have been winging it. This just shines a light on the types of Corporations we have been depending on for our energy needs.

Chris-749391

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave/when first we practice to deceive." BP is stuck with its statements, especially now. They must pretend that the flow is only 5000 bbls a day or face criminal prosecution for misleading the government. But if the cut-and-cap fails, then they fines go up with the increased volumes. And fines have a less-than-subtle way of influencing both civil and criminal penalties. Extremely high fines --- into the billions --- will insure that civil penalties are even higher, especially punitive penalties. High civil and punitive penalties will contribute to severe criminal penalties and sanctions.

This sums it up best. When BP was cautgh in a lie, they are now bound to keep hold of it.

Right , I'm sure Obama will say it was his doing if it works...

I guess no one is looking at the Live Feed.

This is progress?

"I am furious at this entire situation because this is an example where somebody didn't think through the consequences of their actions," Obama said. "This is imperiling an entire way of life and an entire region for potentially years."

Replace "Obama" with any name of a sane, American citizen and we're now talking about Obama. So funny that this is coming from his mouth.

So President Obama says BP "didn't fully account for all the risks."

BP's plans had to be approved by the Obama administration regulators before they could even start drilling.

I'd say the Obama administration "didn't fully account for all the risks" including those in an incompetent regulatory agency under his administration ready to award BP a safety award for their carefully crafted project that the regulators had approved.

Seems the regulators were in a very incestuous relationship with the oil industry companyies they were supposed to be regulating and learned about all that on all the porn they were watching while the spill erupted.

If there is egg on BP's face there is twice as much on Obama's. I find it amazing that the President who takes up our free TV time trying to sell his image of everything to all of us dummies who dont' get it is scolding BP for buying ads to try to smooth over it's image. Incongruious? I certainly believe so!

Allot of folks are busy placing blame on the Dems, the Repubs, Obama, Cheney, Big Oil, on and on. Politics is about power and money, big business is about power and money.

Gee, see any similarities?

The whole mess was authorized by The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (101 H.R.1465)

The power brokers screwed us then, and they're screwing us now.

If BP goes broke, Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil, or Petro China (fer hell sakes) will just buy up whats left at a bargain price. They're all likin' there chops right now.

If the Dems loose votes, the Reps will just take over .... or vice versa.

And we're falling for the same con game, Divide and Conquer.

(they accumulate more power and more money) and we loose.

Obama having a photo op to boost his image and complaining about someone spending money on ads to boost their image is the epitome of hypocracy. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Does he even have a clue how ignorant and assine he looks and sounds?

If all of you liberal dribbles would stop crying over the unlikely event that drilling in Alaska would hurt the polar bears in some way(and it wouldn't)we could have oil in a safe way ,And for goodness sake Bush and Cheney have nothing to do with this oil spill it is the incompetent woman that Obama chose to overlook the inspections of the oil rigs .Obama has been president for 1 1/2 years now and it is his incompetence that caused this disaster not Bushes so stop trying to blame past presidents for something that happened under Obamas control he is the one that put a incompetent woman in charge not Bush,No oil disaster happened under Bushes administration.And as for windmills they are a stupid idea,You think they run on the wind well they don't they run on batteries which are very expensive and they need to much maintenance .the few they have installed now break down on a continual basis In other words they do not run on wind and they do not generate very much power so they are really useless.and how in common sense do you suppose to run a car on windmill power We need to drill in Alaska and Texas and most of the western states,We don't know just how much oil we could really produce on land because the stupid environmentalist won't even let test be done to see just where we can get oil.So we will continue to make the Arab countries enormously wealthy while our country is on the verge of bankruptcy,thanks to you fruit cake environmentalist this in the long run is your fault that our ocean is polluted with oil ,If we were allowed to drill on land this would not have happened. I don't know why this country is letting a few nutcases like you keep us from being self efficiency in energy.This madness has to stop.

President questions BP spending on TV ads to "manage their image."

Excuse me. BP is no longer allowed to manage their business? I am not happy with what is going on but I really question Obama thinking he should comment on BP's private brnading business decisions. They are being trashed by Obama's news media, they aren't allowed to try have have balance... I am so fed up with Obama's elitist attitude on everything...

This well has been pouring oil into the Gulf of Mexico for far to long. US president Obama show a complete lack of leadership. The well should have been declared abandoned a long time ago. The military should have been sent in to destroy the well head and dump enough rubble on the well opening to block the flow of oil and permanently seal he well. The US military has the capability.

Instead of our president taking decisive, concrete action we get speeches and an environmental disaster.

I only have one question .... why does our government allow foreign companies to drill for U.S. oil inside the internationally recognized U.S. Exclusive Economic Zone?

Ask your congressman !

Richard~~You know the answer just like the rest of us.....MONEY.

Want to hear something else??? The oil industry just gave billions of dollars in campaign contributions yesterday, to the companies that are INVESTIGATING THIS SPILL. How's that for conflict of interest??? My blood boiled over, on that!!!

Slinger-958418

Please provide a link. It's not that I don't believe you. I think BP is downright contemptible for the spill itself and their behavior afterward; but I searched online and couldn't find this story.

Thank you!

so now obama thinks he should run BP's PR campaign???? what is this???? everyday that man sounds more and more fascist. I bet if he could he would control everything because he knows everything.....he makes me sick.

euterpe-1641499 Ed Schultz from the The Ed Schultz show was talking about it, on the radio today (or Errol his stand in). He airs on CNN, should be on there. If you find a link, post it, I would love the hard copy.

Chris-1506550,

They should try and linning the well head with some tanks full of nitrogen. possibly freezing the oil and water might be enough to stop it flowing. Also it maybe easier to clean the oil from the water if its been turned to a slush and not scattering around.

At what temperature does oil freeze much less oil that is spewing with methane gas under high pressure? We all know to help in keeping pipes from freezing during the winter (if pipes are not well insulated) is to let the faucet a drip or a small steady flow. This is not the same as freezing a pipe of water or flowing water.

It seems to me that the POTUS and any other politico searching for a TV camera to get in front of and blast BP is only posturing for the audience. They should be asking BP what they can do to help to get this flow of oil stopped. Then, the politicos can affix blame and nail their hides to the wall if they can ascertain what went wrong. But until then, they should close their piehole if they can't do something constructive. Just my humble observation.

That would take money that BP has been screwing people out of. This latest fix was just like anything else it was a idea from the lowest bidder. Talk is cheap and BP loves to do it.

Obama should be the voice of reason for all Americans, not an angry person that only advocates for minorities.

Our leader needs to lead - with honesty, passion, and humility - not anger, bias, and self indulgence.

Can't we just stuff Obama in the leak and plug it?

did you forget Bush?

"In an interview on Thursday, he (Obama) said he was "furious" at the disaster, which threatens fishing and tourism, two of the cornerstones of the local economy."

Yeh, it's interfering with my golf game and my fund-raising for my cronies.

Plus he still has to get bribes(oops illegal job offers) to other democrats not to run against his cronies in the fall, and this damn hole is just slowing that down. "Daddy, are all your friends opponents bribed yet?"

you ave no clue what the presure is down there do you foam the well lmao.

Obama has already blown his chance. There are many ways to force action by B.P.. Obama could have started a massive clean up effort weeks ago and put the dime on BP. Freeze any holdings they have in the U.S. , which is over a billion dollars, until it is fixed AND we are payed back. I expected more from him, and this isn't about politics or partisanship, it's about the damage..some irreversible..that is happening right now. It need action, not gestures to fix it.

There is no time for arguments on why it happened or any of that, because right now it really doesn't matter. Just stop the leak! You can't tell me if you got every person that works in this field, as well as some who don't together for just a couple days they couldn't figure this out. We got men on the moon, but just don't ask us to cap an oil leak!

It's absurd and inexcusable that somebody in Washington has not already done a hell of a lot more than go look at it. I think there has to be a point when someone else also is accountable for the leak, not for causing it but for not taking action to at least minimize the effects. Why the hell are we waiting on B.P. to do it all. Principal? Pride? Who cares, fix it then argue about it! This is no longer just a B.P. problem, it is everyone's problem. Fix it!, Now!

Having watched Obama's lame photo shoot in La. today, my prediction is that he is through as President. You can stick a fork in him. This oil mess is going to grow and grow and grow until it gets all the way to England (where it rightful belongs). He put his full faith in the totally incompetent British engineers at British Petroleum. WHY? Why would anyone in his right mind do such a dreadful thing? Obama is finished! He should resign tomorrow.

Obama: "The crews are making progress." Just where did Obama get his engineering degree? To the detriment of millions of Americans and our precious environment, he puts his full faith in British engineers--the laughing stock of the engineering community. What a total fool Obama is. He should resign before we act to kick his butt down Pennsylvania Avenue.

They should try sand bagging the beaches. The logistics is simpler, maybe cheaper, and maybe more effective too than the booms. They do miles of it in the Mid-West whenever there's a flood. I don't see why they can't do it on the beaches as a temporary fix, until they cap the leak and skim the oil from the ocean.

F^ck OBAMA

enough said

This S.O.B. Obama is grandstanding and setting the country up so he can pass another of his socialist/marxist programs, Cap & Trade, which could be the final act to destroy this country as he, and eco-terrorist and radical left-wing friends, have planned to do all along.

For those of you who want to pin this on this administration, go ahead. The truth is this is what has come out from many years of looking the other way. This foreign corporation is laughing at us because we are so gullible. The are going to pay their shareholders, and give us pennies for their screw up.

I talked with a diver from New Iberia last night. I worked for the same company 10 yrs ago and we were discussing the spill and he and I share the same views. imagine that, anyway he said he has been listening to the radio calls and this whole thing could have been under control a month ago. But it seems BP and the Government is more concerned about the capture of the oil to refine than stopping the flow. All of OUR oil, U.S. oil that has been spilled and the recovery of it and the relief well that will pump millions of gallons will be sent back to great Britain. At the cost of our environment.

After being AWOL for the duration of the oil spill disaster in the Gulf, and anticipating possible success with the Top-Kill maneuver, Obama finally showed up for a three hour romp on the Louisiana Coastline to play with a couple of tar balls; and, to declare: "I am in charge here, the buck stops with me." And then Obama promptly went on vacation leaving Bobby Jindal twisting in the wind on his request to dredge sand-berms to block the oil from destroying the extensive Louisiana marsh lands. (No way can Obama allow a Republican Governor to become recognized for an insightful strategy to preserve the Louisiana Coastline.) Obama, the petulant adolescent fraudulently occupying the White House, resembles the precocious youngster on the playground who cowers in the corner only to garrulously emerge to embrace the winner once the confrontation is over. It's exceedingly difficult to believe that ANYONE takes Obama seriously on such topics any longer. The man has a singular objective, and that being a massive redistribution of America's wealth from the producers to the non-producers. Greg Neubeck

WOW!!!!!!! I like it Neubeck

If Obama is so furious (as the press says) then tell me why he has been around the country campaigning for other democrats instead of trying to stop this horrible disaster with ideas like yours!

Standard Operating Procedure for Obama.

Find someone to blame, and avoid taking any actions that might not work.

It's always easier to point a finger than offer a helping hand.

Why is Obama lashing out at BP he is the biggest recipient of '' BP PAC and individual cash$$$$" in twenty years according to reuters MAY 5 2010!!!!!

http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/02/bp-oil-disaster-is-cheney’s-katrina/

Through the years Cheney and Bush repeatedly allowed the oil companies to do what ever they wanted, and at the same time took money away from cleaner energy bills! President Obama only received chicken feed compared to the millions they gave the McCain campaign.

phillip easton
Why is Obama lashing out at BP he is the biggest recipient of '' BP PAC and individual cash$$$$" in twenty years

You tell us. It seems to me that what's more important than recieving financial backing is what one's done or will do because of it. I've seen the same post many times worded differently but as far as Obama giving the oil companies preferential treatment all I've read is that he's guilty of is accepting the status quo of the relationship between the regulators and regulatees. I think he's learned a good lesson from this one in that no stone can be left unturned in determining all of the sweetheart deals struck in DC before he became President.

Do you really think the last beaches have been spoiled ? That it won't eventually travel to Florida and Texas ? Your a fool.

"they have had a record number of bookings this year already!". Thats because everyone want's to see them before they're(beaches) all black and sticky. It wouldn't be an issue, yet. No dead animals or black sh!t has hit land,yet. This could be "false numbers" to create the illusion "everybody else is going, everything's ok". Moron. Crawl out from under your rock or out of your box you're living in and look past the next few days. BP has ruined things for quite a few years to come. Everything may be sparkly and shiny in your world but for people living on the coast facing hurricane season with millions of gallons of oil between them and where the storm's coming from... I would be terrified. I don't live on the coast and I'm scared sh!tless thinking about what could happen. All for a few extra bucks.....

How much did I make or lose from FL tourism? Answer: Nothing.

s1wdetroit Not to split hairs but it was not billions of years, the basis of oil being created, as well as coal and natural gas, required the tropic conditions of the Carboniferous Period when N America straddled the equator. That was 354-290 million years ago.

Maple12String...not to split hairs, but the formation the oil is coming from is much younger than Carboniferous. More likely Tertiary...say ~50 million years ago.

nothing could be worse than the oil permeating the marshlands and killing a fishery worth billions of dollars

Not even altering the salinity of the marshlands and killing a fishery worth billions of dollars? Or increasing the siltiness of the water in the marshlands, killing a fishery worth billions of dollars?

Wetlands are very complex. This is really something that needed to be planned for years ago, so that a plan and equipment were on the shelf ready to go.

One more small note: petroleum is rarely found in the formation where it formed. It migrates upward until it encounters an impermeable layer and is trapped. If it doesn't meet one, you get tar pits on the surface.

The real reason they don't want barrier islands is that it could force the oil to go elsewhere. The Federal Gov't is content with it being soaked up by the Louisiana marshlands.

FL for less is run by the CC and they will say anything, truth or not!!!

Mccain and Palin would be shooting nuclear torpedoes at it lol. Drill baby drill then blow it up what brains. And you republicans want us as a Nation to elect more like them ?

Leeds: "British" anything are no longer welcome here. They should just make a u-turn and go back from where they came.

joeyfromcali: Wait, wait, don't tell me. You're just another mindless pothead from California. Shocking.

I was thinking he was more like a San Francisco liberal. I have to deal with one of those who happens to be my daughter's 4th grade teacher.

I'm just curious as to why we need to have the opinion of James Cameron. What qualifications does he have for plugging oil leaks? That's like asking Matt Damon to train our spies because he starred in a few spy movies.

Are you awake yet?

Well - you obviously are not!! Did you even bother to read the article???? If you did, you

would know that Cameron's advise was shunned cause BP (bumbling pus*ys) thinks they

know it all! Obviously they don't or the leak would have been plugged already. WAKE

UP!!!!!

Obama is such a cry baby! He wanted to drill off the coast of Virginia a few months ago, now old two face wants to stop the tax breaks. The fool should be bragging about how many jobs the spill created/ saved!

hs321 True that would be the overlaying sediments however the "basis" the ferns and vegetable matter would have been laid down in the Carboniferous

Angrywoman

Did you realize cutting and capping the well was the first option BP considered, but the federal government instructed them to try all these other options first.

Can you think of any reason why they would do that?

CH - where did you get that idea?

lee,

"Obama is such a cry baby! He wanted to drill off the coast of Virginia a few months ago, now old two face wants to stop the tax breaks."

If they stop giving the oil company's tax breaks our cost at the pump will go up in proportion. The increased revenue to the government will become a slush fund for the current congress and administration. You will see more hand-outs disguised as funding for the development of alternative energy sources. Anybody that doesn't see this as a tax on the lower and middle class is a fool.

"The fool should be bragging about how many jobs the spill created/ saved!"

You don't think he isn't? 10-1 he is. Given the scam they are running in regards to census workers. Hiring and firing them so they can pump up the employment number I would be more surprised if he wasn't.

Here is a video that has THE ANSWER to cleaning up the Gulf.
www. wimp. com / solutionoil

The Fed's will probably not want to hear or see this because: It's Cheap,
It makes sense, and most of all IT WORKS !

Most people figure we southerners are just a bunch of hicks, but you'll change your mind after you see this video !!!!

Angrywoman, would you take advice from a plumber for an electrical problem? If that's the way you think I'd hate to see the conditon of your house. James Cameron makes a decent movie but to call him an expert in undersea drilling is just laughable. As far as I'm concerned he is just another hollywood crackpot looking to expand his resume.

My eyes are wide open, what about yours?

ClintHorace
Did you realize cutting and capping the well was the first option BP considered, but the federal government instructed them to try all these other options first.

Do you have a credible source to back up this claim Horace?

Clint-horace, do you or did you realize that if after cutting off the bent pipe/riser -- which is slowing down therefore decreasing the amount of oil gushing into the Gulf at this time-- that if the capping does not fit that this will result in an even greater amount of oil gushing freely into the Gulf unimpeded ?

So it only makes sense to find other means of stopping or decreasing the amount of oil gushing until the other wells are completed to cap the well.

Even now with the cap - sort of- on, there is a lot of oil still gushing around the cap....because for one thing, it does not fit snuggly ie is not a tight fit.

Could it be that the reason the top kill did not work is because BP has been using the lowballed number ---i.e. the 5000 barrels as opposed to the higher figure of 14 plus thousand barrels--- as a means of calculating the heaviness or type of the mud etc that would be needed to plug the hole/oil gushing into the Gulf?

If questionable info is being used in the calculations, why would anyone believe that it would work?

Wouldn't the correct number of barrels of oil gushing and the thus the correct pressure reading be necessary to make a more accurate calculation of the amount and consistency etc of the mud etc that should be used to plug the gusher? (if plugging the gusher is what one wants of course...hmmm)

I may not be an engineer or a scientist but commonsense would suggest that if one is calculating the consistency, amount etc of the mud that would be used to plug the hole, if one uses the calculations based on the 5000 barrels per day instead of calculations for say 14 thousand barrels per day, then the mud etc is not going to be of the consistency and weight to do the job......Hmmmmm

As the saying goes regarding info ....garbage in.... garbage out.......

Oddly enough if BP had upped the numbers for the calculation, the govt would then have definitive proof that they (BP) were/ have been fudging/ lowballing the numbers... on purpose from day one.....LOL

Either way BP (just like Transocean and Halliburton) gonna have to pay....... and now with the loss of their socalled stellar (LOL) reputation...... because most folks ---except maybe their lobbiests, PR people etc--- believe they lied and that they are still lying no matter what....even if they may not be....Hmmm

CH - where did you get that idea?

Do you have a credible source to back up this claim Horace?

Is there such thing as a "credible source" anymore?

When people can deny audio, or video, or BOTH, with some of the most creative logic known to man, I have to wonder what would constitute a "credible source" these days?

Let's put it this way, all I really have to do is tell you it came from the "right".

So you pick the person or persons you most dislike, and assume it was one of them.

BZe1

How can you impede the flow, and allow MORE oil to escape, at the same time?

I can understand the same amount under higher pressure but....more?

"What I don't want to hear is, when they're spending that kind of money on their shareholders and spending that kind of money on TV advertising, that they're nickel and diming fishermen or small businesses here in the Gulf," he said.

My response is to change a few words - here goes:

What I don't want to hear is, when you're spending that kind of money to fly all over the country for fundraisers and spending that kind of money for parties in the White House, that you're nickel and diming us with increased taxes on cigarettes, increased premiums with health care reform, with intended increased utility bills under cap and trade, etc, etc, etc.

I live in Florida. We have fought for years to keep drilling off of our shores. I have been attending protests, demonstrations and have lobbied for at least 15 years against drilling. No, we did not ask for this ... we have desperately fought against this. Political party lines, economic status, race and religion have been non existent in joining the fight to block the drilling ... from the left to the right and every party in between. It saddens me that anyone would actually think that the citizens of the Gulf Coast asked for this. Those wells are not out there for us ... we are now just the ones who have to deal with the mess.

Don't drill in Florida..but you burn more fuel than many small nations do...yeah, Florida...way to go. How ironic...

If you or any family member, drove a car to any protest or rally then we need to drill for Oil where ever we can. on land, at sea, in your yard

Paul's comment just goes to show how ignorant people really are!

That's like saying the people of New York knew they housed the World Trade Center, therefore they deserved 9/11.

Another moron that thinks that oil is gasoline, look up a see what % of this stuff, is cracked into gas, this clown want,s to live in a cave, in the dark like a mushroom! no need to ask who he voted for! another little fact if the world,s oceans were gasoline, sailing ships would get there six times faster! fyi.

"No, we did not ask for this ..."

You did if your air conditioner's running.

cheetah, absolutely.

If your air conditioner's running, if you buy gas, especially if you own a gas guzzler (and I do cause I need the space for business purposes), etc., then we did ask for this, and ultimately we will give BP a free pass, just like we did with Exxon, and just like we do daily with any number of corporations.

Has anyone, for example, closed their Bank Account because of a high fee while the CEO pulled in an 8-figure bonus?

Yes they are out there for YOU. You get royalties to allow drilling. You knew the possibility of drilling. In reality, you probably attended a Tea Party and Palin book signings and yelled drill, baby drill.

So, let's not pretend that we, you, did not know that or support drilling. All I hear from the red states is states rights, go away big brother, we are gonna seceed from the union, get off the backs of the poor oil companies. Now, you right wingers want to pretend to be environmentalists and want the "nanny" to quickly clean up the mistakes of an out of control, right wing oil company who bribed government officials and ignored safety concerns and had no plan to handle a deep water spill.

The rewards of deep water drilling vs the negatives must be balanced. If we are so strapped for oil that we risk what happened to get more oil and we expect this need to grow, we are in for more calamities.

This country needs to serious examine its energy needs , keeping in mind the safety of the environment as well as changing how we live our daily lives. Solar, hydrogen geothermal, bio fuels all should have a place, replacing fossil fuels. Government and private partnerships will have to be the mechanism for accomplishing this feat as was done with the space ventures as well as developing atomic energy.

However, greed in the equation can be an obstacle in achieving our goal of safe, affordable energy sources. We need to seriously examine a system that allows bribery and wanton disregard for the health and safety of workers and the public for monetary gain.

Good luck with NOT having the federal dollar made available for clean-up or clean-down. Federal dollars will always be made available.

"THEIR" logic is that this is everyone's problem.

It's BUSINESS.

BUSINESS = Unions + Corporations.

"There will always be those who will do anything to maintain the status quo." Hitler (1922).

I can't beleive you guys. "We" asked for incompetent morons to f#$k up at their jobs? "We" asked for noone to have an emergency plan? I don't support drilling either way. I like driving. It saves me from walking or riding a bike 11 miles a day with a little one and 11 by myself. I'm soaking up air conditioning right now(but it is a geothermal unit). I can't beleive Americans are so caught up in political affiliations to blame this disaster on each other. Our so called "leaders", and I use that term loosely, sold us out long ago. It doesn't matter what color they were. They don't work for us anymore. You may get a handshake and some empty promises if your even lucky enough to ever meet your "represenative". But until you contribute millions of dollars to their campaign funds, you're a pawn in a game and I'm a pawn in the same game. BP has f#$ked the coast from Texas to the Keys and all the waters in between. When the first hurricane hits, depending on the category, BP could f#$k alot of people miles inland. If control isn't gained somewhere along the way, they'll start f#$king people on the east coast.

yeah michael, and I'm sure many in high power follow anything Hitler said, and I think we know who those individuals are. the damage has already been done to our country and continuing.

Paul-794119

I dont really have any sympathy. These are all red states, they got what they wanted. We all know the "drill baby drill" or "deregulate" or "power to the states" or "let the markets work". I could go on and on. I dont wont a single tax dollar or federal resource going to clean this up. Big oil said they could do this safely, the locals backed them up, so you all lied again. Deal with it.

ASk yourself WHY we are drilling so deep.. ITs because the Envirowackos and the US Gvmnt are pushing the wells deeper and deeper. Open up Anwar, the Alaskan Coast line, More shallow Cont. Shelf drilling.. Where we know IF something goes wrong, we know how to fix it.

You want to blame the Republicans for this, when in fact it is the Environut jobs who say NO DRILLING HERE !!!! where we know how to do it and it is safer and force companies out into the deep ocean.

BP=BEST PHRIEND LOL

Where is mr. Cheney? he can give us some answers about oil. He was oil hungry when running the white house. It's not about taking sides , we have to drop the act of thinking leaders within the republican party need to be put on a high pedestal just because they are republicans, most of them don't care about their fellow republicans to begin with, if your not rich, then you are just one of their puppets. Simple as that. They will turn on you if they have too. It's been done already. It doesn't matter if your a republican. We need to put blame where blame is due, and If anyone thinks Cheney has nothing to do with the word OIL, then you are truly blind , and a puppet.

Let's be realistic here, and stop hiding behind these so called leaders. Nowadays, most in office only care for themselves and saving their own tails. If we can't point them out, then we are just continuing to be clueless, because of all the crap they shoved into my heads. They do this because, they know we will eat it up, what they don't know is that we have the ability to think for ourselves, and know when someone is using us like puppets. We need to stop listening to these same players of the game just because they are from your party ,and appear to share your beliefs and values. There is a bigger picture here, and most of us are afraid to see it, but it's there. This goes for the Dems side too, a lot them are fake. We should all be done with choosing sides as a whole and start choosing ourselves to be the voices.

Let's stop blaming states , and start blaming individuals.

Where are the dead fish?

So far all we have is hype.

Despite everyone looking for any real environmental damage to show on every TV, they can't find any.

Funny, you hear no stories about the environmental damage of IXTOC 1 as a comparison. It leaked 10 times as much oil in the Gulf. Wouldn't they show it as a worst case scenario?

Unless the damage from a leak 10 times this big actually was not an environmental Armageddon, and they are afraid that showing it would kill the hype on this current story.

Over 200 million gallons of oil are spilled worldwide every year on average. But that is still just .01% of all the oil that is produced.

These things will happen from time to time.

Just like everyone forgets that New Orleans flooded twice in 100 years. But you never heard that when they did stories on Katrina. They have to make every story unique.

The perspective of history makes all these media stories look like hype. Lucky for the media that we don't know history.

Ryan in Texas is right with the comment he just cut and pasted for probably the tenth time in 5 minutes BP=BEST PHRIEND JJ

Same stupid comments get the same response. Did I say anything that was untrue?

Face it, you got sucked into the media hype.

It happens to those who can't really think for themselves.

How many times have you heard the phrase "Damage Cap" in the media?

But there is no damage cap in state court for negligence. So I know the truth hurts the narrative of "the worst oil spill", but what, you want me to go along with the lie like the rest of the sheep?

The problem isn't running your car, running your air conditioner, running your computer or any other nonsense. The problem is there is absolutely no reason, whatsoever, to allow this dangerous activity on our doorstep AT THIS TIME. It is strategic folly to use our own resources before we have exhausted the supplies of everyone else. Much of our oil these days comes from sources that aren't able to be interrupted, such as Canada and Mexico. There are others that can, but won't, such as Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. Keep the infrastructure in place to tap our resources, but not until they are needed. By the way, we keep a strategic reserve that is more than enough to wage war and take what we need if it becomes necessary. This offshore drilling is just stupidity AT THIS TIME. Corporate profits over common sense and strategic concerns. FIRE EVERY SINGLE CONGRESSMAN IN NOVEMBER.

Twistedcross - I can agree with some of what you said.

But we are borrowing money from China at an alarming rate. I'd love to sit on the oil, but we need the money (or we would have to give it to some foreign country).

If I was in charge, we would be building nuclear reactors over our oil shale deposits. We could easily use the heat (steam) to release the oil from the shale. There's more oil in our country than has been used by the entire world SINCE OIL WAS FIRST DISCOVERED. (1 Trillion Barrels)

But if they would let me build reactors, we wouldn't need as much oil anyway.

Just wait until the Federal Gov't defaults on it's debt in a few years. No one will bail us out. We'll be selling our offshore oil fields for pennies on the dollar to foreign countries.

Ryan- As far as oil industry apologists go you are talented. I salute you. I can easily refute any argument you have but why bother, your getting paid I'm not. Here is one clue.....We don't need the money we have a big printing press and Obama is not afraid to use it. High energy costs hurt countries that manufacture and export, America can only gain from that as we just aren't the manufacturing powerhouse we once was. The US dollar is stuck in a teathering arrangement that prohibits our labor force from competing with China. Low priced oil is part of the glue that holds that bond together. I say let oil prices go up we will be the last country to crack. You should go review your oil industry talking points now. JJ

BP=Bunch of Phuckers

mightyj - Oh, no doubt we will print money until it is worthless. I had grandparents in prewar Germany who used MILLION MARK NOTES TO WALLPAPER THEIR HOUSE.

What allowed us to win WW2 was cheap oil from under my feet here in Texas.

What made America rich was cheap energy.

China will drill for the oil that we won't. They are grabbing reasources around the world. Consumer economies are based on loans that have nothing more than loans as collateral. Europe is tanking with their high energy prices and big Gov't.

So understand that as all of our wealth evaporates, we will sell our offshore oil/gas fields to foreign companies just to keep our big Gov't afloat.

'...I say let oil prices go up we will be the last country to crack....'

Oil prices already went up, and created Athabaskan tar sands and BPs deepwater blowout.

Along the way, they quadrupled the price of foodstuffs, resulting in tens of millions of people

being run off their lands for deforestation biofuel plantations, and the starvation deaths of

tens of millions more, whose own governments can no longer subsidize fuel in nations where

people have to chose where to spend the $2 a day that they have to live on. Those who say

we are somehow 'complicit' in oil use, and just have to let this debacle happen, are ignoring

that this is a manufactured crisis, there is more oil being produced right now than at any time

in world history, it's only the mechanations of corrupted Mil.Gov and their mercs and usurists

who made the world's future into a living hell for profit, inconvenient for US, deadly for 3WD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vfuCPFb8wk There is our future, if we could achieve it.

We'll be fine Ryan the point of what I said is that the dollar is a piece of crap the price of oil is going nowhere but up. We should be right in there competing with others for oil in other countries uor reserves will appreciate don't worry for the dollar or any other fiat currency they always lose ALL of their value everytime. A lot of folks don't realize every time they print more money a little more wealth is redistributed.

Oil helped win the big one but ability to manufacture war materials was king in that war. We could not win it now, not on those terms. JJ

Here is a website where we can contribute cash or our time to help clean up the spill.

http://lagulfresponse.org/home.html

Hey If we can dump tons of cash on Haiti I think we should be even more interested in assisting our own states with this massive problem..Come on people!

Charity Begins At Home...

cheetah-822547

"No, we did not ask for this ..."

You did if your air conditioner's running.

Maybe the energy was for another state where someone has a computer on simply to get online and start telling people they don't even know what they did and did not ask for?

Right under where they cut, there is a union joint with nuts and bolts? so why cant they just unbolt the joint and place a shutoff valve? I know it in very deep water, if anyone know please explain

for the top kill why not place a mesh over the pipe or drill holes and criss-cross solid rods at the top of the pipe and inject steel wool in with the mud or sand? or inject larger to smaller particulates to clog everything up like golf balls, then marbles, pebbles, bb's, sand then mud / concrete or what not. sand interlocks and would not push out if they could get it in there so it would pack in and not push out. simple physics. take a piece of thin toilet paper and tape to the end of a tube (paper dowel tube is what we used) . fill tube with sand, then take a rod and try to break the seal (toilet paper) but you can't because the sand grabs the sides also, so there is to much surface area to push against. but they just used unrestricted flow so everything they pumped in just pushed right out before it could clog.

ecto wheres chaney and bush there keeping there mouths shut because there the ones responsiable thats why they dont have anything to say chaneys in his hole waiting for another attack.well there one underway underwater thanks georgee and chaney and all you drill baby drill repubs keep voting for big bussiness its eating you up right now the rednecks are turning brown that oil ring is hard to washout.you people will say how could i say that the truth hurts baby drill baby drill.

I actually posted this for "ron" on another thread, but apparently it will apply to virtually any post he submits:

Did you ever hear of punctuation or capital letters "Ron"?

They can be very useful when trying to convey a point using text.

When I deciphered your post, I realized you are simply whining and doing your best to deflect any criticism that heads the way of your Supreme Leader.

I hate to be the one to break the NEWS to you, but Obama is NOT infallible. In fact he's so fallible he's spent the last seventeen months making excuses and blaming people for his ineptitude.

I don't think you really have a clue what you're talking about.

CH - I'm with you on the punctuation! I'm not about to spend the time to try to decipher someone's thoughts who doesn't understand the use of basic grammatical tools.

I am a card carrying, true-blue, bleeding heart, liberal Democrat. I appreciate your

but Obama is NOT infallible. In fact he's so fallible

. However, you and anyone else who generalizes loses all credibility when you finish with

he's spent the last seventeen months making excuses and blaming people for his ineptitude.

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I respect your right to criticize the President for whatever you would like. And I hope you respect my right to disagree. But as soon as you say things like that and use cute terms like "Supreme Leader", I don't care what you have to say. At that point the only thing you are trying to do is tick people off. Then Newsvine turns in to a 3rd grade argument; "I know you are but what am I?" "Oh, yeah, well my daddy can beat up your daddy!"

So maybe your daddy can beat up my daddy but your words are as worthless as those with no punctuation.

I'm crushed.

To think I've lost PAVenturer.......whatever shall I do?

WHT--Alternative energy sources simply don't measure up to the current energy sources. All of them have been tried before (I work in the industry). Fuel Cells that produce energy--enough to cool them. Then there is wind power that requires complete redundancy of "real" energy sources because of intermittancy. Solar same problem with intermittancy and the intermittancy de-balances the grid and can cause rolling brownouts/blackouts and other costly disruptions like the breakdown of current "gappers" due to running at half mast most of the time and being geared up and down!

We can go to all alternative but why not look at what that really costs by checking out Denmark where they did just that and where we pay .08 cents a unit they pay.38 cents a unit. How much industry will shut down? How many jobs lost? How much will the poor suffer in the winter (or summer)? How much will all of us suffer as our economy crumbles--energy dependent we are. Living such wonderful lives because of carbon fuels and the good old combustion engine. Don't be for giving that up lightly.

This nation ahs more fuel than Saudi four times over but we must uncap all our capped wells and allow permitting onshore like in the Great Basin (Utah and Colorado), Bakken, the North Slope etc. and then we WILL be energy independent and, like Norway, will become so wealthy we can afford wonderful healthcare for our people, the best education and an ease of life that will be the envy of the world. Why deny the obvious answer?

Drill onshore like in the reef oil near the great lakes and prosper this people.

kudos! but, one more thing. the reason these red states and their radical conservatives won and created this mess is partly because the apathetic left. democrats are lazy a.. bastds who cannot seem to get up off their flat tushes and vote even when they see the end of the world right in front of them. please, please lefties, be proud of who you are, get up and go VOTE! if you don't the tea party psychos will get elected and then God help us all! just think of sarah palin(i barely choke the words out) as president! i would have to leave the country and join radio free america!

oops! my comment got moved! i wasn't kudoing juno! ohmygod! you don't know what you're talking about. alternative energy is the wave of the future and the innovations that are coming up will be amazing IF we allow them to work! instead of just blathering why don't you do some research into the future of alternative energy. if we don't progress it will be because of politics not because we don't have the knowledge to make it work. i actually read the publications that explain the science. the scientists are not interested in politics-they're interested in science.

i kudoing paul 794119- i don't sympathize with the red states. they should have been paying more attention to who they were voting for. maybe we should all go independent and not vote for any one party without thinking.

Jeremy:

More shallow Cont. Shelf drilling.. Where we know IF something goes wrong, we know how to fix it.

You mean like the Gulf disaster of the IZxtec in '79. In 200 feet and if you listen to the news regarding it, it sounds exactly like the disaster of the Gulf now!! They have learned nothing about how to stop disasters; all they have learned is how to drill deeper!!!

That should scare everyone! No solutions, just problems for the last 30 plus years!!!!!

Donate money for what! The money Obama has wasted on flying airforce one back and forth to the gulf(for no other reason than to make himself look big) would be a nice sum to help clean up the mess. Funny how two months ago Obama was buddies with the oil companies and was shouting " drill in the gulf". Now he is doing what he can to seperate himself from the fact that he okayed the drilling there. Soooooooo two faced.

cjn-718250

"More shallow Cont. Shelf drilling.. Where we know IF something goes wrong, we know how to fix it.

You mean like the Gulf disaster of the IZxtec in '79. In 200 feet and if you listen to the news regarding it, it sounds exactly like the disaster of the Gulf now!! They have learned nothing about how to stop disasters; all they have learned is how to drill deeper!!!"

C'mon, at least be honest. For one thing it's Ixtoc. The other thing is the Mexican government owned Pemex was in charge of that disaster. What do you expect from a Country as corrupt as Mexico?

Jed is either psychic or believes he knows me. I do pay taxes, no free lunch. I receive zip, nada. However I say what I mean and mean what I say. Its time conservatives in this country do the same. I am just asking conservatives to keep their word. This is their problem. Let them or the corps they trust pay for this clean up or whatever you all in the south want to do. I dont care. Just dont ask the rest of up to pay.

I agree. We conservative red states should take no tax dollars to pay for this clean up. We do it and pay for it ourselves. And then we should tell the liberal blue states to go f*ck themselves when they insist we don't drill closer to/or on shore for oil where it is safer to do. This problem would have been fixed in a day if it wasn't more than a mile underwater. Then since we are being so self-sufficient, we keep all the oil, the reveue , and the taxes for ourselves. The liberal blue states and militant fanatical environmentalists can go back to beeswax candles for light, burning driftwood for heat, and using horses for transportation. Not to mention giving up all the post-1900's improvements in health care, food safety, electronics, etc. etc. etc.

Scarab...finally, I am grateful. We have found a principled conservative. Though I dont believe the confederates can take credit for improvements in healthcare, food safety, electronics etc. As for telling the blue states where they can go.....I can work with that. We dont need each other.

One thing is for sure, we are all fighting for a better seat on the Titanic. Paul, If you do pay income tax and you are ok with the present admin, I suggest you look where your taxes are going, if you are still ok with it, may I suggest therapy? You obviously have a screw loose.

I am totally okay with most of what the feds are doing. I believe in being consistent above everything and results. For this reason I quit the GOP in 2004. I think the dem approach will create a better society. And the dems are up front with where they stand.

Paul, did you know that 53% of households in the US paid no Fed incometax last year? 53% of the country is on welfare! How can that be good?

Because Jed....I am all for fairness and equality. I believe the rich should be paying more. Access to our markets should not be a right. It should be a priviledge. Also of the 53% you speak of......they are paying other taxes.

the average life span is 70 to 90 years, so what are you saying the money for, to fight war in iroc, to send Israel 1.4 billion, or to rebuild countries we demolish during war, I am all for social programs that benefit the American people, it is time to give more to the middle class in this country, give me a Job and after I pay my bills the the tax man can have the rest

Jed233, you may want to read this, then... The Government Accountability Office said... about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.

How can this be good?

jed i love the way repubs strecth the truth 47% dont pay taxes you know why they live on less than 20,000 a year dumb ass you try to live on that kind of money and the 2% pay nothing.but that is soon to end. bush welfare for the rich is over. and of the 47% 30% are ederly.

Paul:

"Because Jed....I am all for fairness and equality. I believe the rich should be paying more."

I'm all for fairness, but this doesn't really seem fair. Because they have more, they should pay more? Now, I'm not at all in that rich minority. I'm a hardworking person who lives pretty much paycheck to paycheck. I'm most definitely not rich... but why should someone who worked hard to earn their money have to pay for stuff for me? I didn't go to med school or law school to earn a degree... I didn't start my own business and market it until it was succesful... I could have, but I didn't.

My point is, just because someone has more money than me doesn't make me entitled to what they have. I think taxes based on percentage of income are fair, but beyond that... the rich don't owe me or anyone else a thing. They earned their money just like I earn mine.

jeds on every thread exposing himself as a oil troll doll

Paul, did you know that 53% of households in the US paid no Fed incometax last year? 53% of the country is on welfare! How can that be good? - 6.6

Again i beg my republican / Conservative viners to think before they post. 53% not paying any fed income tax would mean that 53% of the country is unemployed b/c if you work you (usually) pay federal income tax every time you are paid.

The report did not state that 53% paid no federal income tax at all, it stated that on tax day (April 15th) only 47% had to pay additional taxes. This usually happens when someone does not have enough taxes withheld throughout the year.

Paul-

I am not claiming the red states are responsible for those improvements. Those improvements came from the industrial and technological revolutions which were powered by COAL & OIL. You know, those two evil substances that the blue states are so against. I have no problem letting the blue states and environmentalists disavow using them. If they want to live shorter, low quality lives and dwell in caves that's fine by me. They need to just stop pushing their fanatical religious beliefs on the rest of us.

where are those oil hungry bastards , probably laughing in our faces right now. I'm sure we all know who those 2 are. i wouldn't blame red states, I would blame certain individuals from the red states who have everything to do with our problems. If we think they care about us, we have truly sunk to their level of stupidity.

BP is a joke.

Common sense-370048

Paul, did you know that 53% of households in the US paid no Fed incometax last year? 53% of the country is on welfare! How can that be good? - 6.6

Again i beg my republican / Conservative viners to think before they post. 53% not paying any fed income tax would mean that 53% of the country is unemployed b/c if you work you (usually) pay federal income tax every time you are paid.

NOW who is spinning..

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Speaking from experience..

It doesnt matter how much they get taken out, come tax day they get EVERY BIT of it back PLUS more. You are either A) Well off and have never seen the other side of the tracks. B) Very Niave, or C) Very Young or D) Actually believe the political spin.

I know what its like to be in a single parent household, with my mother and sister my dead beat dad not giving ANYTHING to support his children and my mother bringing in 12k to 15k a year.

YES over half of this country pays ZERO Federal Taxes. For you to argue that point means you do not know jack squat about our broken tax system.

Politics, politics, politics..... Meanwhile there's a well spewing 800k gallons of oil a day into the reasonably clean Gulf of Mexico where it's finding it's way to miles of coast. Which is home to all sorts of wildlife, people too. Which in turn, rely on some of this wildlife to make their living. And not to mention stores, restaurants, charter businesses, hotels, all that stuff that tourist use when they visit, which won't be used now. What the f#$k is wrong with this country(rhetorical question)?

And as far as taxes go, I wouldn't pay one red cent to the crooked state of ******** or to the federal gov't if i didn't have to. A "fair tax"/ "flat rate", whatever you want to call it, should be put in place and the current tax code should be burned.

Cipher-0 your statistic about companies not paying taxes for at least one year is misleading. Over a seven year period many companies go through tough times where they might end up taking a loss for the fiscal year. Also, saying companies PAID NO TAXES is a sensationalized attempt to rally your point. Maybe those companies paid no taxes because they had no tax liability for the fiscal year because of losses, capital equipment purchases etc. Saying that they paid no taxes implies that they are evading taxes and that is not a fair statement. Plus, look what happened between 1998 and 2005, we had the tech bubble burst and 9-11, two significant "events" that caused economic decline and many companies endured losses several times during that period, especially small business, which employs over 50% of the work force.

So, this is okay then?

I think we can all agree that those not paying taxes are a burden on our country.

Since entitlements are 2/3 of Federal Spending, we could all see a 2/3 cut in our taxes if they were to disappear. But we are stuck with them.

The best we can do is to take away the Gov't feed trough. We have the only country in human history where our "poor" are obese.

Go to other countries and you can see Billions living, and reproducing on dollars a day.

We have people on welfare with cable tv and cellphones!

Only 1 in 3 Americans worked full time before this economic recession.

Yet people can come to this country, speaking no English, and having no education - and still find work.

If you want to give the welfare louses money - OK, that's your money, your business.

But I'm not going to work to keep them fed, clothed, housed, medicated and then put some spending money in their pockets without calling it what it is - THEFT.

How would it be any different if they just broke into my house and stole the money? Either way my work goes to pay for them to sit at home in front of their cable tv.

I guess none of the above wants to hear the truth. Good post...Ryan

Since entitlements are 2/3 of Federal Spending, we could all see a 2/3 cut in our taxes if they were to disappear. But we are stuck with them.

Try 56% - (SSI, medicare & medicaid and other mandatory spending). The military is 23% all on its own.

The best we can do is to take away the Gov't feed trough. We have the only country in human history where our "poor" are obese.

That's because of the perverse food production incentives in the US, where corn is heavily subsidized so high-fructose corn syrup is the cheapest additive to foods, and crap food is cheaper than nutritious food.

Go to other countries and you can see Billions living, and reproducing on dollars a day.

And starving. And dying of preventable disease. And being shot to death because the come from a different clan.

We have people on welfare with cable tv and cellphones!

You do realize a cell phone can be far cheaper than a land line to own & operate, right?

Only 1 in 3 Americans worked full time before this economic recession.

According to Wikipedia, there's around 309 million people in the US (2008 estimate). Of those, 12.8% are 65 or older (and likely candidates for retirement) while 20.2% are 14 or under (and therefore unlikely to be working).

Of the remaining, between 10% and 20% are unemployed, depending on whose numbers you look at.

That leave between 43% and 53% of the population as potential workers. While I don't have the numbers, a not insignificant number of those are the ill and others who can't work. Some are stay-at-home parents who choose not to work.

Yet people can come to this country, speaking no English, and having no education - and still find work.

I don't see this as a bad thing, although I suspect you're talking about illegal immigrants - that's a separate issue.

If you want to give the welfare louses money - OK, that's your money, your business.

But I'm not going to work to keep them fed, clothed, housed, medicated and then put some spending money in their pockets without calling it what it is - THEFT.

Oh, please. Taxation on the federal level goes into the big pot, from which the needs are drawn. Some will invariably go to things you don't like.

You're aware welfare has a five-year limit these days, right?

How would it be any different if they just broke into my house and stole the money? Either way my work goes to pay for them to sit at home in front of their cable tv.

Or it goes to people who have nowhere else to go.

Case in point: One of my brothers' family was on food stamps after the 1987 crash. It wasn't he was lazy, or unskilled, or anything else - he simply hit a rough patch where he couldn't find work for a long time.

Eventually, he went into the Army Reserves on an eight-year stint and found a decent job afterwards.

You know what he became after that?

A taxpayer.

Ryan is part of a persistent Red State myth cleverly cultivated by Cheney's psyop domestic

propaganda arm (yes, it's real, and it's funded with our tax dollars) writing phoney letters

from a 'concerned doctor' or a 'captain in the army' about welfare mothers with seven kids,

but gradually people like Ryan are waking up to the fact that those stories are psyop sops,

meant to delude Americans from focusing on where their taxes are really going! Excluding

SS / MC, which are paid in trust funds and not Fed income tax revenues, although Mil.Gov

has already heavily stolen from them, 3/4ths of our income taxes, personal and business,

go for usury interest payments on the $14 TRILLION deadbeat Federal debt Bush created,

and for so-called 'Defense'. 3/4ths of our income taxes for mercs, and usurists!! Bureau of

Labor Statistics 2008 says 45% of Americans work for Mil.Gov, or mercenary contract to it,

their entire incomes, benefits and lifetime pensions paid for by the long suffering taxpayer.

Many of those Mil.Gov live overseas expatriate, and pay no income taxes at all, while those

who do pay, are able to dip into the 35% higher lifetime earning of Mil.Gov over private side.

In other words, Mil.Gov is already subsidized for the 35% they have to pay in income taxes!

Top 400 families in US paid only ~16.6% income taxes, on average $750 million income.

So you have this colossal cadre of rich elites, and welfare tax drone Mil.Gov paying little in

taxes that isn't already subsidized with higher earnings, more than half of Americans, who

are the true 'welfare queens' of our society, and I think Ryan is starting to figure that out.

Only time will tell if the Cheney psyops team and the racists and flag wrappers will be able

to drown out the truth in the next election, and increase 'Defense' spending another +14%~!

This is no time to be smarky...It is time to take care of our own.

Here is a website where we can contribute cash or our time to help clean up the spill.

http://lagulfresponse.org/home.html

Hey If we can dump tons of cash on Haiti I think we should be even more interested in assisting our own states with this massive problem..Come on people!

Charity Begins At Home...

I don't like that Jindal. Everyone who is applauding him, should watch the Documentary Toxic Towns w/Sanjay Gupta about Mossville La. Fourteen chemical plants and all the residents are dying from cancer, Jindall and the EPA are blocking any help for these people. Meanwhile another young person died mid-way through the story. Jindal isn't about protecting the environment, he is about protecting his pocket book.

Joe, do the math. There is about 27000 miles of effected coastline, times that by $500,000 per mile for equiptment, manpower, supplies, fuel, waste disposal, animal rescue/rehab,ect...That figure is not counting loss of wage and revenue, property damage, water cleanup ect..... BPs market value was about 200 billion before the spill, substantially less after. we could take BP and sell it to the highest bidder and still not dent the costs involved. The states you mentioned ARE HISTORICALLY THE HIGEST WELFARE STATES in the country. They each recieve more fed money every year in foodstamps than all the southern states combined. Get real.

Joe is 100% correct. This is a direct result of the policies pushes by the red states. Suck it up confederates.

the new four letter word next to dumb (paul)

Where is Cheney, that oil hungry bastard....It pains me to know that he is laughing in our faces today. One of our great masterminds. ahhh America.....

Wow nice way to be human being Joe. Complete disregard for fellow human beings, this is the real reason everything is so messed up now a day.

Oh the whole I didn't get help so they shouldn't is not a valid excuse for you lack of compassion.

The oil is coming from a Federal (not state) lease. The US Gov't was making money on this just like BP, Transocean, etc.

Since they will not allow the states to get the lease revenue, the Federal Gov't has the burden of cleanup.

Ryan:

Under the newest act after the Valdez, the company involved has the burden of cleanup.

If you must spew TX, at least get your facts straight first!!!

Hey yall easy with my state of TX partner. Thats Gods country and I own a part of it. All good exept the gulf spill

and Crawford

Your Gov paid for GED is showin, moron.

Careful there-- This whole oil mess was a product of the greatest minds. The same ones that are unable to fix their F-up.

I said 10 years ago that if the US was to be saved, take the top 10% elite and all the politicians and lock them away for ten years or more until their influence subsided. The best and brightest have a ton of knowledge and no wisdom.

jed233
you need to lock up 535 peoples or more!
I could be a guard with no pay

Let's not forget those 2 oil hungry bastards. Let's be real people.

The live BP feed is just showing some scratched metal, oil globules bubbling up, and black.

Wait, ahead in the distance, that sign ... dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, dee, Twilight Zone.

BP will cap the BOP, deny spill was more than 5,000 bbls/day, liquidate its US Exploration &

Production Unit, along with their Alaska assets they already wrote off, and pull out of the US.

Obama will scream at the new British Prime Minister, but you see, under UK law, Americans

have no rights to sue for damages caused by an Act of G-d, under fully legal MMS permits,

under the 1789 Alien Torts Law: http://www.flyingfish.org.uk/articles/oecd/04-02-11ind.htm

Order up!

BP has a lot of guilt here, but so does our government. there were safety inspections which were not really done. rules that were changed simply because BP asked for changes. the administration and dept of interior have a lot of blame here too. read the article about the coast guard investigation. a lot of safety procedures werwe allowed to be bypassed by our own government. so obama better be yelling at his cabinet also.

Avatar, as told by Comixed.

bepatient,

James Cameron is one of the world's leading experts in the use of deepwater ROV's as well as deepwater lighting and imaging as a result of the work with the Titanic wreck. They are looking for people with real-world experience in working in water that deep. And Cameron developed much of the ROV technology that is being used around the well right now. Cameron is also well-acquainted with every engineer and scientist that would be involved with cutting-edge ROV work. (Not to mention that he has enough money that he can give his services for free and is rapidly becoming a noted conservationist for his work worldwide in that area.)

Exactly what does Avatar and your opinion of a top-grossing movie have to do with an oil spill in the Gulf? I guess the world looks a lot different to a 140-year-old (regardless of age.)

Why is Bush doing this to us? how much money dose he want to stop killing the planet? he really F#*ked us good this time!

It's stuck. That's why!

The buzz is that by using flow estimates of 5000 bbls a day, BP badly underestimated the back pressure in the saw blade. Once it had penetrated far enough, the oil pressure clamped the saw blade against the edge of the cut. Had the nominal high volume flow of around 28-30,000 bbls a day been used, the cut would not have been attempted without a much more powerful saw motor.

Now they have a stuck saw blade, clamped in place by the unexpectedly high oil pressure, and flooding out through the cut in such a way that the view of the ROV doing the cutting is almost completely obscured. They are in a worse position than before they started.

All BP had to do was either place a flow meter into the flow or allowed the government or independent scientists to do so and this might have been prevented. But BP is trying to stick with the 5000 bbls a day number to keep down fines, which are based on the number of barrels spilled.

This is what you call "hoist on your own petard."

vanna when you saw through a pipe or tree the weight of the top compresses the sawed area and closes down on the blade that is why all people who cut trees cut a vee cut and then go on the other side to finish the cut

bobdaddytoo,

You are exactly right, but upside down. In this case the weight that would be from above in a tree is pressure from below from the oil. Other than that small detail you are exactly right. Unfortunately they cannot do this because they require a very smooth continuous cut. If you've looked at a tree trunk after it has been cut by a logger, you will see a rather jagged mess.

thats because trees are not cut with a diamond saw. they should have used a wedge like lumberjacks do as well.

yep

I hate this stinking editor. You can't just delete something during the editing window. You have to put something in this box. So here it is - something.

Bob430: its nice to read a post that is based on facts and sound reasoning instead of the crap you get from a lot of posters based on ignorance!!!

Thank you, for the truth, the media is not showing all the federal agencies involved because it would kill the story, and make the President look good.

Bernie-548913

Bob430: its nice to read a post that is based on facts and sound reasoning instead of the crap you get from a lot of posters based on ignorance!!!

I totally agree... Thanks Bob430 and Bernie-548913!

s1wdetroit, what are you talking about? The medial does all it can to make The President look good.

If BP was forthright about what is happening, the very first thing they would have done would be to have placed a flow meter in the flow to get an idea of exactly how much oil is coming out. They did not and forbade the government and independent scientists to do so.

And part of the problem is that the EPA who has a lot of expertise is forbidden by the Oil Pollution Act of 1990 from being involved in any way with an offshore spill and the USCG, which has little experience or expertise, is the mandated agency to "oversee" BP. Neither agency not any other agency in the federal government is allowed to interfere with BP in any way. BP must approve all actions, such as building sand berms, or they will not pay for it.

BP has done nothing but lie and obstruct. You can find BP's filings in Texas' oil-friendly courts on damage caps (they claim $74 million total), consolidation of class-action suits (in Texas courts which are notoriously unfriendly to class-action suits) and exactly who is responsible (so far BP is claiming over a hundred instances of government interference with their efforts -- things like the National Guard erecting living quarters for spill cleanup workers without their explicit permission for each action and each tent.)

Bob430- Thank you for that post. I think it's important to know that the oil industry in the gulf is the only industry left down there. They need to close all of the fisheries for YEARS in order to safely re-assess what is going on with those biological stocks (you can't tell a fish when to die) rather than opening the fishing up as soon as possible and blaming fishermen when it all goes wrong. Here is hoping the oil industry shills Obama has put into power at NOAA will do their job for once. JJ

Bob, while I agree we need to wean ourselves off of oil, it will be far eaiser said than done. Petroleum is used in almost every product we come into contact every day. We use more petroleum for the other 6000 items it helps create than what we use on fuels and oils.

How many people know it's used in toothpaste and transparent tape? Look at all the plastic bottles that still don't have deposit fees. After all these decades, we still can't recycle plastic properly. I fear that even weaning ourselves off of the dependency of oil wont help, we will find another resource to exploit to the point of global disater.

We as a species has helped create situations like this and are hard pressed to learn from past mistakes.

We consume petroleum produts at a rate of 3.5 gallons of oil and 250 feet of natural gas per day per person. Just wow.

I'ts just nice too see someone FINALLY get away from all the political bullcrap and tell it like it really is, we have a real problem to deal with first, when that is solved if ever, we can get down to flinging crap at whatever companies, or admins past or present.

Dumb post!!! Ignorance is bliss!!

You would know.

You are a perfect example!! Post something smart & intelligent!!

"The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle, is equal to the square root of the remaining side." - Wizard of Oz scarecrow

So was the scarecrow correct?

The President does not need to cry, have you notice that the media is showing us less and less of the actual beaches, we never see the actual workers that are cleaning up the oil, and the animal they show us covered with oil are the same ones over and over, they only show illustrated graph and animated pictures, this is not a bad thing, it mean they have no news to hype it up with, the beaches and the shore line will be cleaner then they where before the oil spill, watch the media closely as they try to keep this story hyped - Hey Morning Joe, I think Israel should be your main topic today not the President or the Oil Spill

amazed i think you got the wrong guy you meant bush right that the guy tea baggers live in a fantasy world paul is right the red states drill baby drill now where that awful big gov to help us .ever heard of karma bend over wantobe repubs the 2% is slipping it into you right now hows it feel just keep voting for big bussiness you watch and see how much bp pays they probally cashing there stocks right now .i did see that over the week bp unloaded 15% of there stock.by the time it comes down there wont be any money to take from bp and here we go again the middle class paying the bill for the 2%

Still living in a fantasy world??? Get a life!

Hey Bernie, still beating your wife?

Another dumb post!!!

Good that Obama is turning to a movie producer to asist in stopping the leak, while threatening to sue those who are actually trying to stop it! This Administration is all about how to spin the story so that everyone else is wrong, except themselves. The MMS is as much to blame for this spill or accident as is the contractors. The oil companies got Federal approval to drill and produce as they did and all MMS inspectors knew well before the accident that the equipment was never proven, but only best guess. They approved it anyway.

Let's beat up the companies that are working hard to stop this disaster, push them off the job, and let the government do the work with their employes and knowledge. If hot air would work to seal it, there would be plenty available. BP has only one goal at present and that is to stop this leak. Let's see Obama start giving States the authority to start cleaning the beaches and put up barriers. I see no Federal assistance at all on the coast.

raw spoken like a true repub hip hip horray for bp what nice guys they are trying to fix there screw up and its all the gov fault right again bushes gov. you,re right on the names were changed to protect the guilty but you,re close .and also lets throw up big berms and destroy all the eco system along the southern states this govenor is a bloming idiot jump and then look .to phrase it for you raw look before you leap understand.

Hey Bernie, where is your smart and intellegent post? I didn't see it on here, all I see is Bernie-548913 and then below it, some whining.

Latest twitter on BP fixing the oil leak: "Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, please report to the Gulf of Mexico."

James cameron helped develop the deep sea instruments in use today. he is also on friendly terms with many of the deep water scientist that use what he helped to create. Just because some people only know him as that Avatar guy, doesn't mean he's never done anything else.

So, the Beev, I think it's a very good idea we look to Cameron for help. He knows a lot more about the deep sea than most people do. Maybe the documetary he produced about the Titanic might ring a bell.

I have to wonder if some of you do nothing but troll vines. Mock what you don't know.

Again, jed...you are way off...

Sounds like bingo to me! just look and see the giant pinchers that they sent down there to cut that large pipe! it could of crimped it closed just a well! to slow the flow, but if the flow was slowed, the real problem would show up. This is why they dident try this day one! they know what the real problem is, this is why they keep it flowing. Dont pay any attention to the spin troll, he is here to stirr! to keep you mind from the truth. whocares some do! the spin trol!

They are not pinchers...it's a clamp to hold the pipe in place so they can saw cut it. And yes, crimping a low pressure riser such as this serves no purpose. It's not designed for high pressure.

The only way to kill this thing is with relief wells, which they are drilling.

Stilson, you might be taken seriously if you had finished the 8th grade or at least tried to write and punctuate in a semi-intelligent manner.

I've been involved offshore longer than you've been alive and there is no spin in any comments I make. It's factual, based on experience.

What you got?

(that's considered a rhetorical question numb-nuts)

moron you cant even see the tool, and what it did, you are a waste of time cant you spin that stupid stuff on some bloog site, some of us here would like to see the problem solved, and instead of people that care about the problem, we end up with MORONS WITH DUMD IDEAS! PULL YOUR HEAD OUT! and spin some place else, why dont you go and buy a cb radio! ten four good buddy!

Guess ole stilson there showed us what he's got! Facts and knowledge are not included.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head jed, sir. I am going to send you an email about the cementing practice and follow-up on the rest of your questions.

stilson, there is still time to complete you GED. They might even have it in a primary school format for you. By the way, we ain't buddies, dip-stick.

whocares.......it is schedule 80 high preasure pipe that is commonly used for high preasure steam also, I have welded plenty of it.....but you are right, crimping it closed would turn it into a high preasure spray nozzle......the only way is to plug it from the inside of the BOP with a poprivet type devise that expands from the bottom end outward,sealing the riser pipe in such a way the plug cannot be pushed out by the more than 1000 psi.behind the oil .........BP could easily do this if the focus wasn't on recovering oil to help offset the rising cost associated with the spill, even the so-called cap is designed for a suction pipe........it really is all about the money

the tankers are there, the media is not telling you about them, to keep the story hyped !!!,

the beaches will be cleaner then was before the oil spill, but media want tell you that because

it would kill the story !!!

Send more Koolaie please!

Does anyone else get the feeling that BO doesn't want to "kill" this well?

Does anyone else get the feeling that BO doesn't want to "kill" this well?

Ummm, no, that's your eye watering hate and paranoia shining through...better get that checked out...

What exactly does our president stand to gain by letting this spill grow Young Utah? Even the bought and paid for politicians that allowed the near complete deregulation of big oil stand to gain nothing.

Sorry about the typo. Meant to type BP, not BO. Mea culpa.

Not talking about the President's feelings on this. I'm talking about BP. This is an "exploratory" well that was supposed to be temporairily capped for later extraction of the oil. If they "kill" this well they won't be able to go back to it for future extraction of the oil, will they? Just wondering.

Why not blame the President? All you folks that say "you asked for it" are wrong. During the campaign the President said that he DID NOT support offshore oil drilling. But, unfortunately for him, he decided to change his mind and support it "because it would be good for the economy." So, NO, those who voted for this President (supposedly the majority) said that they DID NOT want offshore drilling. The President had the opportunity to scrutinize this (and maybe stop it) since he WAS against it but instead he decided to support offshore drilling.

And although I believe it is possible for the masses to come together and affect a change in the way that we power our "lives", we really don't have that kind of control over our lives as you would suggest. I assure you, make it feasable for me not to use oil for power and I will use it.

Besides, this is why we have a Federal government. It is their responsibility. It is our responsibility to elect a competent one. And on that I will refer you back to the Presidents' position on offshore oil drilling before and after the campaign.

Joe, you are lying.

The President always said during the campaign, that he supported LIMITED offshore drilling as part of a COMPREHENSIVE energy plan. Learn to be factual.

The President was against expanding off shore oil drilling. He was for alternative power sources.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,haw,haw,haw,hee,he,heh, another good one! Just 2 wks before the spill he put the Atlantic and the coast of fla on the bidding block!! Don't read much, do ya?

You people are just so disgustingly bitter, it makes my eyes water - news flash: because you OD on limbeck 24/7/365 does not mean you know everything - I would argue y'all know very little actual factual information at all...but you are experts on partisan hackery, I'll give you that much...

Joe, you are lying!

bajangirl your being a ritard (yes i ment to spell it like that)

Same to you, hoggie. Except that I am right, and you (and Joe) are wrong. Name calling won't change that.

So Palin and the tea party movement are responsible for this oil spill ?? Unbelieveable ignorance

Anyone who buys gas is responsible.

Well Palin did try to blame Obama for the oil spill, who's being ignorant? Palin is a joke , just like BP. There is ignorance all through the government, let's not forget the big oil hungry leaders bush and cheney who were in ties with the oil companies for years, and still are, I think we know who to put the true blame on. Oil=power= big money, that's what most republicans who followed bush and cheney, believed and thrived on, and still do. It was all apart of an agenda. If middle class republicans or anyone can't see this fact, then you are continuing to be these so called leaders' puppets. Let's stop biting the hand that feeds us, and stop sticking up for these individuals. Put blame where blame is due, lets go to the source, no matter what party you are from.

Let's be realistic

So Palin and the tea party movement are responsible for this oil spill ?? Unbelieveable ignorance

...just as much as it's all on BHO - goes both ways sweetie...get a clue

I agree.

Agree.

The President has responded over overwhelmingly, the media is only showing you what they want you to see so that you can form an opinion that keep the story hyped, they need to keep the story hyped to sell commercials, so they can pay them self big fat paychecks - Check out how many Commercial are running during the morning joe Show today - more commercial then actual Joe Show

s1wdetroit

I was wondering who were the seven viewers who actually watched the Morning Joe Show , now that you've confessed you're one of their viewers, maybe we can identify the other six.

Mr. Hope and Change responded all the way to Chicago for another Vacation. Put all goverment Jets on Ebay.

detroit, hush man, you really ain't helpin the guy out! Really!!!

I'm from FL as well - not sure exactly why we should all be so disappointed with BHO other than it's in fashion with the rednecks...and I ain't no stinkin' redneck so I ain't playin' that stupid game...

Another Floridian here. The money, power and influence that resides here don't give a damn about Florida. They'll pack their bags and leave for another beautiful place to destroy with their money, power and influence.

Commonsense, we agree on something!!!!!

Our prez is just like Jese Jackson.Where ever there is camera he will be there.Would some one please tell him he is president and to come off the campane trail.