Will Congress' pending reform bill help prevent another financial industry meltdown?
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Will Congress' pending reform bill help prevent another financial industry meltdown?
Will Congress' pending reform bill help prevent another financial industry meltdown?
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All this Administration is doing is "controlling" everything. The USA use to be on the top of the list of all great things. Now, we are behind China and other Asian countries...Maybe when they see things "made in the USA", they will start laughing soon. We are hardly better than the world of "pesos".
Well this is hopeful, but doubtful that it will work. The banks will just find loop holes and do what they want anyways. I'd rather start keeping my money under and mattress than let them use it. Damn crooks.
I agree 100%. BO's answer to it all is government regulation. All we need is more and more government in our homes and lives. I, along with a lot of others, will be pretty glad when 2012 gets here. I still feel the 2010 elections will hold many surprises.
It seems that no one can see through the "news" media's simplistic regulation verses deregulation illusion. If you want to know more about this bill, see http://dailycensored.com/2010/05/07/dodds-financial-reform-bill-is-a-black-hole/
This bill is not what the "news" media or the politicians claim. It is designed to crush the economy and consolidate power in the hands of Wall Street and the Big Banks.
Mo crack from President Crackhead.
I am so glad the enocomy is get better. I watched CSPAN yesterday cause I was tired of listening why on earth another crackhead liberal managed to get Murtha's sit, are we just abunch of ghetto crack smokin crackhead Gubba'mint chEeZe eatin Obama Zombie's..... anyway there was 4 Socialist liberal Commi Pigs in the Capital building, 40,000 sq feet, just the four of them at podiums, no one else in this huge empty building and they are sitting there telling each other how wonderful things are. it's the G/D Twilight Zone, Are you friggin kidding me my state is over 13% unemployment. Thats 15,000,000 million people without jobs............................ Today at work, I am eating lunch reading the news paper and I read we are losing 470,000 jobs ever G/D week now get this last week I read how we are saving or creating 172,000 jobs per MONTH is this the friggin good news Jesus H Christ. Isn't there anybody in the Democratic Party that aint on the crack.
When the country is loosing 2,000,000 jobs per month and the Politician are patting themselves on the back, all you can say
" its gotta be da crack " crack is whack
Everytime the economy looks like it is starting to get better these idiots in Washington pass another bill to "punish" wall street. Wall Street and Main Street are connected, if you hurt one you hurt both, I think this Congress and our President need to go before they wreck the entire economy and cause an economic downturn that we may never recover from.
So you Republicans tell me what your politicians would do to take care of this problem. Let's hear it. I'm waiting. You had 8 years to do something and did nothing.
You Repubs had 8 years to handle this problem. You did nothing but made it worse. You aren't happy with this attempt to control the bastards who caused this mess so please tell me what your solutions are. Lay it out for us.
Actually the economy was doing ok until congress began increasing minimum wage every year, people stopped hiring, groceries and utilities went up and everyone had less money after bills.
They had their chance to do something about Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, but Dodd, Frank and others were too busy lining their pockets to consider any reform.
Bigger government is not the answer nothing is to big to fail not even FANNIE AND FREDDIE... The founders had much wisdom they wanted LIMITED federal government they are rolling over in their graves right now.
Obama Pelosi Ried got control of Washington in 2006 the unemployment rate was 4.7% and the DOW 14,000
What would I do? unwind all the job killing bill they have passed cut Gubba'mint cut the budget cut cut cut and make the Bush tax cut permanent. Level the playing field between Big Corp. and Big Unions
They called the depression in the 20's the "Great Depression" - what will we call ours? The typical attitude of government employees, is to find a way to keep their job. So, the best way to do that, is to keep making up new laws, that can easily be skirted around, so they have to make more new laws, so THEY can be skirted around, causing them to make new laws. Job security, that's what it is. All the financial ills in this country could be avoided if we didn't have such a HUGE government, with all their special perks, salaries and pensions. Make government smaller, and make them subject to the same taxes, medical coverage and Social Security we use. You're going to vote more fairly for everyone if the same applies to you.
This past meltdown was in large part the result of deregulation! We need oversight in exchange for stability. What's the point of having giant, risky boons to a handful of markets if the backlash is so much worse for the economy than the profits were?!
People need to drop this belief that any regulation is bad regulation! Would you really want to see the FDA disappear and just trust food and drug companies to not use harmful chemicals??? Or are you confidant the market could judge for themselves by interperting the chemical names on their labels and researching what may be bad for you?
Let's start applying the same care that goes into our cornflakes to one of, if not the biggest, factor of the American Economy!
Jern- see my comment below. I have been in the food industry for over 30 years. If you think the FDA is somehow protecting the food supply, you are far from the truth. Its the private-sector food industry that is protecting you, not the FDA. Food companies would be foolish, and soon out of business, if they used "harmful chemicals" in their food products. The FDA is ALWAYS way behind the curve, and private sector food industry identifies and solves their problems before the FDA even figures out what the problem is.
William,
Why is the private sector food industry on top of problems with their products? Maybe it's because there's an unoffiliated (some what) government organization acting as a watch dog? Doesn't mean it's perfect- same goes for this bill, and it doesn't mean mistakes aren't made- same goes for legislation in general, and it doesn't mean all companies are out to poison their customers- just like some companies are capable of responsible trading. What it does mean is that there are serious repercusions when someone/some company steps out of line. And it does mean that there are more resources and coordination being used to this end than any one person or faction could muster in time to save lives in the event of a blatant violation. That is exactly what this bill is aimed at doing! Food poisoning is in the top ten causes of death in China because they don't have nearly the same level of oversight. Show a little pride and a little gratitude for your country!
Jen,
You sure are right about more resources being used! Please do tell us about all the good that has come from past federal regulation of the banking and financial markets. This bill does nothing more than create a larger bureaucracy while keeping control in the same inept hands. We are well on our way to regulating ourselves into another Great Depression! It took WWII to get us out of the last one....Ya think maybe Obama can start a war with Iran to turn this bout of bungling around?
Jen maybe you can tell us why Fannie and Freddie are excluded from this bill?? These two are the biggest reasons for the housing collapse and yet not one thing to regulate them.. Wonder why that is??
Doing nothing will only result in a repeat of what has already happened! This may not be perfect but it, at least, is a start.
Reform is absolutely needed, but it needs to be real reform. Not reform that caters to the banking industry lobbyists! Congress on both sides of the aisle are far to beholden to the special interests and lobbyists to bring around true reform. Between all the partisan bickering and dirty corporate money, we have a corrupt system that needs to be dismantled and rebuilt before we can expect any reforms that will actually benefit the people of this nation. Just look at the current decline on the indexes, Wallstreet is just flexing its muscle. Wallstreet is saying, "if you want to restrict us, we'll just throw the market into chaos until we get our way." For all the BS being spouted by the wingnuts about socialism, our current form of "capitalism" is looking more and more like communist Russia! We have got a puppet democracy. It's time to cut the strings, it's time to call Wallstreet's bluff.
All the private sector banks that received bailout money have paid it back. Only Freddie Mac and Fannie May, quasi governmental banks that cater to the liberal agenda and who have made major contributions to the Democrats (Obama being at the top of their list, along with Dodd and Kerry), have not paid it back and probably never will. And I guess you dont understand that "calling Wall Streets bluff" will cause innumerable companies to go into bankruptcy, cost tens of thousands of jobs, and cost millions of Americans all the money they have put away for retirement. Nice plan.
I would like to hear your recommendations? From your post it sounds like you want to see wallstreet and the bank sectors do whatever they please and just hope every thing turns out okay. If I'm wrong and you honestly have some solution to this economic disaster let's hear it?
It's always easier to tear something down, rather than build something new. It seems like that has become the Republicans standard operating prochedure lately. I don't care if your Republican, Democrat, or Libretarian- right now I'm for any party that's willing to do something to make positive change!
Then vote for me. Separate banking and investing. Put a cap on the usurous rates the banks can charge. Outlaw the variable rate mortgage. Do not allow banks to issue their own credit cards. The Dems are putting hundreds of thousands of Americans retirement at risk. Almost all unions have money invested in stocks, and mutual funds for pensions, as well as corporations that fund pensions. Write the law, and let the sec apply it. We don't need 20,000 more govt workers.
The US is bankrupt just like many of the other countries now experiencing a financial meltdown, it just hasn't arrived here yet. Lots of financial advisors are telling us to get out of the market now and predicting that the stockmarket could hit a low of 5000. With an inevitable run on banks and the market, with people scared of losing jobs and homes; of uncertainty abroad spelling the future of what will happen here-there is no bandaid to fix it. The dollar will have to hit rock bottom and like an alcoholic begin to mend itself over a very long time. Obama cannot regulate us out of this hole that he has so magically dug for us whether he is well intentioned or not. America has always found a way to survive and it will again.
For the truth, you need to go back to the 40's. Every congress has added to, in some way, the mess. Lawers aren't bankers, so they really don't know; they rely on bankers. So the fox gets into the hen house. The one time congress needed to listen to experts, they kept the doctors out.
Remember congress writes the laws, not the president, though he can reommend. And when, like obama, he has a majority , he can often get what he wants.
The big market crash will start around aug., 2012
The only thing that Congress and the current administration will accomplish is to regulate America out of even more jobs, this time in the financial industry. And at the same time creating a monstrous deficit while shrinking the taxable income base. The Obama administration and Congress is relying on growth of the economy to help reduce the deficit in future years, but at the same time they seem determined to regulate the private sector to the point where the economy will not be able to grow.
This administration and congress seem bent on destroying any semblance of our free enterprise country - we are capitalistic - that is how we have worked for two centuries. We do NOT need the government deciding who can have loans and who can't. We DO need a government that allows companies to fail (banks included) if they make bad decisions or take risks that do not pan out. Those companies would file bankruptcy (as others have done in the past) and try to rebuild. It works much better than these bail outs that did not bring back jobs or make any company more responsible. You do not create responsible business by controlling how they run - they learn, or they do not survive. This is one more step towards full socialism. If people still cannot see that, they are simply wearing blinders. The government was never meant to control business in this country - they have also forgotten they exist at the will of the people, not the reverse. Time to make a CHANGE back to the way we were meant to be - not this new - government in your back pocket regime.
I hate to break this to you, but the current administration didn't create the mess we are in, and the jury is still out on whether or not it can make things any better. I'm not a rabid Obama fan or hater, but to say that this is the first administration and congress to play the back pocket game indicates either a serious lack of knowledge of American history or the worst case of head in the sand denial I have ever seen. Do you think for one minute that unchecked, businesses will "do the right thing because it's the right thing to do" when faced with choosing profit over the consumer's welfare? If so, I've got some ocean front property to sell you here in Phoenix.
I can't believe that people don't think there needs to be regulation of CDS and all the other unregulated BS and speculation. Its nothing but massive gambling that brought the world to its knees and will continue to be written off for years since its around $500 TRILLION world wide. As Greenspan admitted last year, the housing market crashed because of the securitization of the mortgages by firms in the shadow financial industry.
Nothing but bucket shops from 1929 !! Without regulated Capitalism you will see a return to the 1800's.
How the hell is our system unregulated? Everything is regulated in some degree...perhaps that might be why we are in the hole we are in...on top of the housing crisis brought on by Bill Clinton and his subprime mortgages...
Oh no, lou 1694575. We were regulated early in our history until "Uncle Teddy" decided that the costomer would be beftter off with "DEREGULATION". We were promise super service and lower prices, well have you flown recently. We once had a choice of 10 or 15 vivable air lines, now we have a choice of deterants service, lack of coordination and a choice of flying at great expense and very liminted schedule. This country has been set back 221 tears by the "GAMBLERS". Every industry that is in existence now has to compete with the "CORPORATE CROOKS" has at put our industrial exsitence in jeopardy. All of our Indusrties have been operating as though there never was any regulation, restriction, or even and ethinical behavier.
All you should have paid attention to those jobs that were low pay that our corporations forced us to take as, it enabled them to bribe oiur political system from the top down. Take a good look at the jobs that went to the illigals by our Meat Industry, (CONAGRI) or look at the farming industry that is controlled by (CARGILE) or processed foods (BIRDSEYE, GREEN GAINT, DELMONTE, LIBBY) these are home grow fruit and vegatables that are grown here in America, picked by machine and transported from US soil to MEXICO for processeing and the packages sent back acrossed the border for our consumpsion.
Think, Ever since 1999 with the Banking DEREGULATION and the repeal of the GLASS/STEAGAL ACT of 1933, we have allowed our banks money to be used by the "CORUPT GAMBLERS of the Investment Industry. They created not one tangable resource except a way to "FLEESE" you out of you money. But you "STUPID JERKS" are protective of what you feel you are going to lose that you don't write, phone or email your voice. I have for over 30 years squawked about "DEREGULATION" One sorryful event was John McCain lobbing the Commerce Dept to allow a German firm to by out AirBourne Express and to rename it "DHL" after two years DHL shut down operation throwing 14,000 Teamster out of work in Ohio and every state they served.
The "DIRTY WORK" is just beginning as this so called Financial Reform Bill is a sham and it will cripple this nation once again.
Mo crack from President Crackhead.
I am so glad the enocomy is get better. I watched CSPAN yesterday cause I was tired of listening why on earth another crackhead liberal managed to get Murtha's sit, are we just abunch of ghetto crack smokin crackhead Gubba'mint chEeZe eatin Obama Zombie's..... anyway there was 4 Socialist liberal Commi Pigs in the Capital building, 40,000 sq feet, just the four of them at podiums, no one else in this huge empty building and they are sitting there telling each other how wonderful things are. it's the G/D Twilight Zone, Are you friggin kidding me my state is over 13% unemployment. Thats 15,000,000 million people without jobs............................ Today at work, I am eating lunch reading the news paper and I read we are losing 470,000 jobs ever G/D week now get this last week I read how we are saving or creating 172,000 jobs per MONTH is this the friggin good news Jesus H Christ. Isn't there anybody in the Democratic Party that aint on the crack.
When the country is loosing 2,000,000 jobs per month and the Politician are patting themselves on the back, all you can say
" its gotta be da crack " crack is whack
Jen in Idaho- I have worked for food companies for over 30 years. Food companies, without the FDA or any govt regulation, have a much greater emphasis on food safety than the FDA could ever enforce. Why? Because if food companies are not vigilant about food safety they would soon be out of business. What consumer is going to buy food they consider dangerous? The answer is none. All the FDA does is run investigations after problems occur, and the industry fixes the problem before the FDA even figures out what the problem is. The FDA actually inspects less than 1% of the food that you eat. How is that protecting you? The simple fact is that the govt is incapable of regulating any industry effectively.
What consumer is going to buy food they consider dangerous?
Really?!? What consumer smokes cigarettes even though they know it's dangerous? Enough to give the tobacco industry a great deal of influence over our congress. Need more examples? McDonalds, Taco Bell, KFC (double down anyone?) Diet Coke, tanning beds, this list could go on and on... Food companies, oil companies, tobacco companies, Wallstreet bankers...don't care. They operate to make as much profit today, at whatever expense, because humans like all other animals will continue to procreate. So what if the next generation is a little slower, fatter, dumber that's just more profit for the CEOs.
The simple fact is that the government that is influenced by the deep coffers of big business is not interested in regulating industry effectively.
Kenneth- I bet you are a govt employee, or a teacher, or a personal injury lawyer, or a liberal politician, or a writer, or someone who does not actually have to produce a product to get by. Autos create pollution and are often found to be unsafe, construction jobs are dangerous, utility companies pollute and gouge customers, chemical companies pollute and subject their employees to toxins, oil drilling is anti-environmental, coal mines are clearly dangerous, xray technicians are subjected to radiation, etc. By the time you get done, our unemployment rate will be 50%, and the Great Depression will be like a boom period to this country. And you seem to think that CEO's are the only ones who profit from capitalism. The fact is that a significant amount of stock in companies in today's day and age are held by pension plans, retirement plans, and 401k plans for ordinary working Americans. But, I guess in your America, people wont have jobs (other than govt jobs) so they wont be able to put any money aside for retirement.
Hell No it won't help it's just another level of Saddam's crap!!
Regulations and more restrictions will only cause WALL street to flex its muscles. Us, the regular working class and now the non-working class due to all the "administration bail out money going to the big corporations and banks" has left us hopeless and angered that "Change" has not come. We are turning into a socialist country. We are losing our jobs and homes..... whose helping us out. Obama has done nothing except give all the tax money away to bailouts... Very frustrated with Wall Street, the Administration and company lay offs.
Actually, do some reading please, The bailout money has been being paid back with interest. A good portion of the companies that took bailout money have paid or are paying it back. So what is your main complaint?
How much has fannie and freddie paid back, please find out. they robbed tax payers of the most mainly to pay odumbos campaign lies, barney and dobbs, and majority of democrats campaign funds. They got the most and have returned none, this regulation does nothing to them. This regulation gives odumbo power to blackmail banks and investment organizations keep their campaigns funded or government can liquify. Great incentive. Only think this administration and congress care to do is socialize what once was great country. Crooked fascists
reread my post, I said a good portion of companies have or are paying back that money. Do your own research, and stop talking like an idiot.
Note the financial crisis in Greece. It was caused by years of deficit spending by the govt, especially making their govt larger by sinking more money into govt jobs. Sound familiar America? Increased regulations, more bureaucracy, more tax dollars needed to support the added bureaucracy is the formula for another financial crisis, but it will be the govt not the banks that will cause it the next time. Once again, refer to Greece. And note to those who are apparently uninformed, all the major large private-sector banks have repaid their bailout money. The only "banks" who have not are quasi governmental Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac, who have contributed big campaign money to Obama and the Democrats, but have been unable to pay back their loans.
I'm not a believer. Let's face it this isn't the first bail out and by the time this bill finally passes both houses it won't even vaguely resemble anything you trust. People have a short memory. Every passed bail out was going to fix everything. We bail out the banks. they take the money we the people go farther into debt and just like last time no one goes to jail because while what they have done is morally bankrupt but legal on a mirriad of technicalities. we are as corrupt and greedy as the Roman Empire and history shows what happens.
That is why the "financial gurus" hire thousands of lawyers... to find loopholes in any legislation that will allow them to line their pockets with the customers and taxpayers money. This problem will never be solved until THEY have to pay for their mistakes - when you start seeing CEOs and Hedge Fund brokers leaping out of windows, then you know that we are on the right track...
And Lou-169... the reason why Europe is bankrupt is because they relied on our greed-infested American system of capitalist self-grandizement at the expense of all else... they believed that our stock brokers were making prudent financial decisions, instead they were just lining their own pockets and betting against the funds they were selling us as Triple-A and worthy of investment...
The reason european countries are broke is socialism doesn't work. They have more government workers than private, they promise great retirement funds and health care, and everything else, but they don't produce, they don't export so they have no income to pay all these government employees and benefits, so they are in the same position united states is we're just couple years behind, do you recognize? By the time odumbo ends his term we will have the same revolts in the streets as greece, because people can't live with spocialism especially when they have had freedom!
Government, government, BIG GOVERNMENT.....too much government and too much control. Who was in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Government; loans to people that could not afford to pay back the loans. All done by Congress' requests and regulation, and Who made the most money? Congressmen, unscrupulous bankers, and leeches preying on the uneducated, poor, trusting regular Joe's and Jane's. It should be a free market and everyone taking responsibility for themselves. Vote out ALL INCUMBANTS, clean house and take back our Great Nation!
Oversight is not the same as reform. Reform would be abolishing Fannie, Freddie, and derivatives. Stocks should be about investing in companies that we think will grow, not playing the market against itself.
Here's a simple question that illustrates why this bill will only add complexity while failing to prevent the next meltdown - in fact it will queue up the next meltdown. Where do you find more brain cells and creativity - Wall Street or the Federal Bureaucracy and Congress? If you don't instantly know the answer to this, you probably think that this is a great bill. The best and the brightest don't go to Washington - they go to Wall Street or start new companies. Those who go to Wall Street have always and will always run circles around the policy wonks who gravitate toward Washington!
Why don't they just let the financial industries fail. Let them learn on there own. Our government has to stop thinking they can save everyone. We need to keep our money right here in the United States and stop helping every country that has a disaster. We have too many disaster's right here that don't get cleaned up by our own government. They are doing this to try and make the American people think they are earning there money, haha!!
Kenneth,Phoenix
I believe in the basis for this tea party movement. I believe in immigration. NOT ILLEGAL immigration, but LEGAL immigration. Key word. I am not a 'wingnut'... I believe that our CITIZENS come first and that only TAXPAYERS should decide how their money is spent. I'm tired of paying for people to sit on their couch all day and NOT WORK! I do not want to pay for any non-citizen's rent, food, education, or health care. I just dont.
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If this passes, we will be further along the path to eurosocialism and look where that's gotten Europe...bankruptcy and violence