Foolish story. Do you know that there is a guy who already races and drag races all-electric cars? You can have the look and feel, and SPEED, of a classic car but with a non-gasoline engine.
I foresee an emerging industry where people build replicas of kick ass American cars, but out of carbon fibre bodies and tube aluminum frames and electric engines. With new materials and technologies the coolest American cars are yet to come... Yes, we have have both in this case!
Neil Young's 60s Lincoln sedan land yacht has been electric for a long time now, I don't see him crying about losing his classic car...
It's all about supply and demand. In the world of collecting, one might sell a turd if it has proper provenance, is in its original condition, polished, and is presented well.
Joking aside, there will be plenty of future demand for today's cars--and as always, just a select few cars. There are several that come to mind.
The era for fossil fuels is coming to an end. Unfortunately, classic cars relied entirely on that. We relied too much on cheap oil. Especially after WW2. I think it was the wrong path we took since the industrial age but I don't think we knew that this was going to lead to the mess we are right now. Big Oil corruption, rogue oil producing countries, two Iraq wars, or Venezuela's Hugo Chavez. Yeah, it does suck that these cars that are deeply embedded in our culture are gone, but we have to move on. Oil is going to run out soon. It is going to happen unless we can figure out a way to actually "make" crude oil or find some on a distant planet (likely impossible), we have no choice but to produce alternative energy. And it is going to be a very big change from our way of life whether we like it or not, it IS going to happen. Like senior Bush said, our American way of life is not negotiable. Well, we have a new negotiator. He's called reality and says we have absolutely no choice.
It really isn't all that difficult to see the vast difference between the classic cars of yesteryear to the mass produced ticky-tacky look alike cars of the 80's on up to todays models.
Just listen to the 'Sales Pitch' of back then compared to today. It's as different as night and day. Where the selling points used to be all the factors that had a direct influence on the operation of movement and how well the automobile performed compared to it's competitors- Such as Horsepower, Gear Ratios, Transmissions Suspension, Drivetrain, etc., etc.. Todays cars come with a 'Sales Pitch' entirely different - Such as, Mega-Watt sound systems, DVD Players for backseat passengers, Heated seating, Cupholders! Friggin' Cupholders! (there's an important item, huh? Ha!), Fabric choices for seating, Navigational aides, Lighted Mirrors on visors, - All the comforts for a sedentary lifestyle of sitting still.
But hey... Look at the economics of it today. Many parts such as front and rear quarter panels, bumpers, hood and trunk lids are all interchangeable with a plethora of other 'Stylish' models because they all look the same.
My 68 GTO will never die. Or be SOLD. It will still be living long after I am gone. No computer, no smog controls, so wimpy air baggies, no plastic bumpers. Just hard chrome steel and 400 cubic inches of raw, tire smoking power. Cars were not intended to self destruct with a 25MPH bump back then. If the wreck was hard enough to scratch the chrome, it was hard enough to kill the driver. I love those cars. It still gets attention everywhere I go.
The new generation of driver's have substituted speaker bump for header howl.
Too bad, so sad.
The BEST the new cars do is IMITATE the real ones. Good try but no cigar.
The internal combustion engine will be around for a long time to come - far longer than any of us will likely live.
The problem with electric and hybrid vehicles is the expense. The extra cost of financing, depreciation, taxes and maintenance will make them non-competitive for anyone that bothers to run the numbers.
I compared a Honda Civic Hybrid vs a Honda Civic gas model (same body style), driving 20,000 miles per year, and the 5 year cost of ownership for the hybrid was about $15,000 - $20,000 higher than the gas only model.
All electric models will suffer from the same deficiencies, and that's BEFORE the government starts to tax all-electrics to compensate for lost gasoline taxes - probably with a mileage tax at registration time.
One of the biggest laughs I get is watching one of today's Japanese rice burners try to act like a muscle car. Not only is it funny to watch but with those exhaust systems they have some of them sound like runaway chain saws. I recently went to a car show and there were some of these wanna be muscle cars there. They were about as interesting as watching paint dry. Most of the crowd including me was checking out the original American muscle iron.
The way I see it, it's like arguing over who the better athlete is from different decades. Shaq vs. Chamberlain, Kobe vs. Jordan ect., or which music is better, the music from the 60's or the current music. Do you prefer the hirsute look downstairs on women in the past or the prepubescent look of the women of today. The truth of the matter is that there is no right answer other than the best car, athlete, music, or bush is the one you like the most.
Unfortunately, there will always be the people who insist that their preference is the only opinion that counts on the subject and the rest of us be damned. The diciples of the american classic cars seem to have forgotten the many sins of the old classics. They were great to drive fast if you were only going in a straight line unless you had modified the suspension and remember that the only tires used to be bias ply tires, which didn't have very good performance when it came to curves. If you lived in the north, you could count on the body being rusted out within 6 or 7 years. There were a few exceptional looking cars, just like today, but for the most part they were average looking. The part I feel most nostalgic about the old cars is because I could repair or replace practically anything on the car with a good set of wrenches and Chilton's manual. Now you have to have a computer background and huge array of tools to fix anything on the new cars.
People will always look back at their youth and remember the good aspects of it, so I think it's only normal for people to defend the memories of their youth in the cars, athletes, music or anything else associated with their youth. But make no mistake about it, technology has vastly improved anything that is mechanical in nature over the past 50 years, so it's really a love of nostalgia for one's youth, if your comparing which cars are superior between old classic cars and the cars of today. I certainly won't play tennis with my old Jack Kramer wood tennis racket, or use my 30 year old set of golf clubs compared to the technological advances which have helped improve my game, or cars that handle and perform better in every area compared to similar cars from the past. I will always feel a certain nostalgia about the products of my youth, but god bless modern engineering!
You'll never replace the sound, smell and feel of a gasoline engine.
Figures AP would run a story like this, trying to prep everyone for coming wave of boredom in Amercan automotive life. People like the writers and editors at AP just don't get it.
HEY AP!!!! IT'S A '41, NOT A '51!!!!. YOU LOSERS!!!!
I guess nutball says it all. Drag racing electric cars!!!! I damn near pee'd my pants........laughing. Kids (for lack of better term) today have no clue what a muscle, classic or a hot-rod are. Wrong era and too ignorant to know better. But substituting a Japanese P.O.S. and calling it a muscle car or classic, is wrong. It's like comparing a Shetland pony to a Clydesdale. Which is incidently, about the same comparison with the horsepower too. I recognize Drifting, not as a Sport, just recognize it. Who is the biggest tush kicker.....Vaughn Gittin!!! What does he drive? A 650h.p. FORD MUSTANG! They come for my American Classic and Muscle Cars, they will come face to face with the Smith & Wesson they thought they were going to take away. The American Muscle Car is an icon, known throughout the World. It will never be laid to rest. The majority of the people in the US have sold their souls out to the Japanese, Germans, Koreans. That's sad. Anybody remember Pearl Harbor, WW I, WW II, the Korean Conflict????? We have gone from ass-kicking to ass-kissing. Pathetic. People bitch about the economy. Quit your bitching......you did it to yourselves you friggin' traitors. Wake up People!!!!!!!
Randal, your 400 cubic inch combustion motor isn’t so special. What is special is the fuel source it uses. Liquid petroleum is amazing stuff; too bad there's only so much of it. Your 400 cubic inch combustion motor is only about 20% efficient; most of the heat it produces is lost through the radiator and the exhaust pipe. And that noise it makes, what you call “header howl”, is also wasted energy. The combustion motor is a piece of crap.
Bite me Vector. I'll crunch your electric car and not even get a scratch.
Seriously though, there certainly were drawbacks to the GOOD stuff. They are a bit scarey at 110 whereas a new car cruises pretty smooth at those speeds. No one here is saying they were perfect in every way, but no NEW car will put a rumble in your girlfriends pants like the feel of a 365 HP, RAW, GAS WASTING, TIRE SMOKING, V8.
And no one I would ever want to associate with will EVER give a wave and thumbs up at your Prius. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed if they pointed me out in one. I am what I am, I'd rather hang with the "rednecks" and muscle cars.
But everyone is different and times are changing. I DO appreciate the need to use less energy. Really.
A 76 Bonneville 4 door gas guzzler has NOTHING to go with the cars in this article. SOME gas guzzlers DO need to go away.
But you'll NEVER change my mind or get my Goat from me and my 12 gauge.
Just like my VINYL record collection, nothing else will EVER compete.
The problem is that the laws of aerodynamics can't be broken. Every car designer is working with the same cD (coefficient of drag) numbers. This pushes every design toward every other design in some sort of computer convergence.
Another issue of convergence is safety. Safety has to be designed in. That also causes designs to become more and more similar. Small cars are more intrinsically safe than larger cars (based on passenger miles driven) because they are more nimble and don't get in as many accidents. (The worst are SUV's which have the greatest number of fatalities per pmd and by far the greatest number of single-vehicle deaths and injuries.) As safety standards increase, smaller cars become more necessary. (And if you believe that old "the big car always wins" theory you should ride Amtrak.)
Classic cars are mostly about looks. Horsepower beyond a certain power to weight ratio is just a joke. Handling has become so refined that any car these days handles incredibly better than a perfectly-tuned race car of 15 years ago. Interior appointments today are more lush (though mostly plastic) than a Bentley of 10 years ago.
People latch onto things they lack, often with no rhyme nor reason. An example is the old Mustang. It was probably one of the most mechanically unreliable and poorly handling cars ever built, but people loved them. People are also afraid of change. Electric vehicles actually scare people because they seem to know little or nothing about them. All change scares some people and causes their heels to dig in. That's just human nature.
And BTW --- in theory because no one has yet built one ---- there is no internal combustion dragster that could compete with an electric dragster that was powered by fast-discharge capacitors driving two electric motors. Currently drag racing rules are being re-written to prevent the entry of electric cars just as they were re-written in the past to prevent gas turbine cars.
Another example of Government involving itself, with tunnel vision. To all you naysayers out there saying boohoo the feds had to get involved to save the economy, I say to you that it was the Feds that were the root of this mess.
The nice thing about capitalism is that over time it will recover and weed out all the weak and corrupt, just a pity it does not work for the federal and state government.
If these comments are any indication, so called muscle cars are, were, and will be simply penis extensions for a bunch of insecure americans in a world that is passing them by.
We look at neanderthals in museums rather than talk to them for a reason.
Do you own or want to own anything that you think is "over the top" in cool points? And does it mean you have penis envy?
A shiny Rolex, an I phone, a big SUV or Lexus? Or maybe a pair of Birkenstocks or any number of "name brand" articles of clothing? Perhaps a big HDTV or surround sound system?
Most people own SOMETHING that they think is top of the line in its category. Depends of what type of stuff you are into. Those that don't tend to be dull people with no appreciable interests and/or hobbies. In my case it happens to be a car.
So why is my car more of a sexual thing than your Birkenstocks? True, they both help to attrack certains types of women. But my car is also "fun" all by itself, when no women are around to see it. And by comparison to new cars, it is easy to work on with no computer crap and all the mechanical parts are cheap and easy to find.
The fact that YOU see it as a sex object must mean YOU think it is sexy. Further, by extension you are admitting YOUR car is NOT. And that is EXACTLY what this article is about.
Remaking classics?????????????Sorry but I'd rather have my '66 mustang. Nothing can compare to the cars of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. These vehicles will always be the best. They are the coolest care America has ever/will have. Furthermore your electric whatever is just replicas of remote control cars. Phullzzzzzzzzzzzz go buy a classic and see what you and others are missing.
Well ,I sure hope so."classic cars indeed"what a waste of time and money, some poor old fool trying to regain he's high school days. When he should be saving for he's grandchild ed. My husband had a 1964 vett, I ran it into a house. :)
I know one thing for sure. I would rather listen to the rumble of the internal combustion V8 engine in that '64 Corvette than I would that whining sound coming from the flap trap on Paulette.
Are you a man-hater or what? I'm a grandfather and it is not my responsibility to SAVE for anyone's education. I worked my way through college and graduate school, and I'll be D*@#ed if I'll pay for someone to attend college on my dime. Earn it of DO WITHOUT!
You are an idiot! I would definitely let my hubby have a 64 Corvette and be proud to ride in it with him knowing what it is worth! And I totally agree...Grandkids need to put their own Stinking A$$ through College...You owe them nothing...let them get government loans and WORK to pay them off...You Can't Take Out A Loan For Retirement!!!!
Paulette......next time you get the assnine urge to run a Classic car into a building......hit it at 150 mph. Don't want your type to walk away from a tragedy such as that. Better yet.......stupid people like you should go buy a Prius and run it into a brick wall at top speed. I just hope they go fast enough to do the job.
I am a woman and I own a '67 Camaro with a 396!!! Built it myself and I don't look or act like a guy either! I wear dresses and am slim and attractive. I think my car with it's beautiful curves reflects my own inner and outer self. I would NEVER be so ignorant as to run a classic beauty into a house a wall or a tree, on purpose anyway!!
Only people with class will ever appreciate classic cars and they will NEVER go out of style!! They have raw power and beautiful body lines and don't need t'v's, cup holders, mirrors or heated seats with memories to adjust to the driver to make them special!
My car has a radio and that's it. NO power brakes, windows, seats, mirrors, or automatic lights. No cupholder, no vanity mirror, no radio controls on the steering wheel, no fancy anything, just lots of heart thumping power with a lope you can dance to. I don't need to recreate my youth with my car either as both of us have aged in the last 25 years like a fine wine! The BEST part is that IF I ever crash, I am surrounded with STEEL, not plastic and I am a whole lot safer in an older car than in a newer one!!
Paulette, The car you destroyed because you are a mentally unbalanced person with little self worth would have paid for the education for all of your grandchildren. If you did that to my car, I would have had you prosecuted for felony destruction of property, for which you would likely serve more time than murder, appropriate for a car which auctions today for up to $200,000. If you are proud of this "accomplishment" then you should take all of the money you are planning to spend on your grandchildren, and get some serious mental help, before you are allowed to spend any unsupervised time near them.
If they ever put the "c-word" in the dictionary, be sure to send them a pic so that they can include a graphic representation of the embodiment of the word when used as a noun!
Those days are gone for good. I grew up during the heyday of the muscle cars and owned a couple myself. I feel privileged to have been a part of that great era when automoiles were actually something to be proud of.
Personally, I wouldn't in my wildest dreams, under any circumstances ever entertain the thought of buying one of the teched-out computerized pieces of s*** that's being produced today.
I choose to drive old Japanese clunkers that I can buy for $500 bucks and drive for 100,000 or so miles and when they finally die, just call the junk yard to recycle them and get another one. I haven't paid more than $500 for a vehicle since 1982 and have had the most dependable, cheapest to operate vehicles I've ever owned in the process.
JIMHO, anyone who goes into debt for years just to own a new car simply is not playing with a full deck.
This generation does have cars that they can collect. The Pontiac solstice, the honda s2000, and the scion xB will be still coveted 20 or 30 years from now. I remeber being at car shows when I was younger and the old guys scoffing at someone who had brought in a 70's mach mustang. Too new, they said. As far as they were concerned anything post WWII would never be collectable.
The problem with the newer cars are that they will be very difficult to restore because of all the electronics and plastics. Perhaps that is part of the problem that the current car manufactures are having: There is a disconnect between the car owners and their cars. Open the hood of newer BMW and there is another hood hiding the motor!
Northern Canadian, that's some funny sh*t!! Scions!! Hondas?? Hahahahaha! The word collectible cannot be used with these types of cars. There is nothing collectible about a disposable overpriced piece of junk with little resale value and a 5 years payment that oftentimes is almost as much as what I paid for my house 9 years ago.
Yeah, I'd say $20k or $30k is an awefully high ticket for something that crumbles into a thousand pieces in a 25mph crash. You were right about one thing though, they are harder to restore with all the plastic and computers!
Dessa: I don't think you are clear on what makes a collectible car. In 1978 GM released the indy pace car collectible corvette with a big sticker on the side proclaiming it a collectible. They were made in large numbers and purchased by people that babied them and stored them away. So that 1978 never became really collectible because it was never rare and not really desirable. In contrast the 55 chevy was produced in large numbers but at the time no one saved them mint. They drove them until they were just considered used cars. The 55 was not collectible until later, after the youth of 55 grew up and became nostalgic. That is exactly what will become of the Scion xB and the Honda civics. You thinking they aren't good cars only helps their desirability. If old people did like them then they would have no appeal to young people.
And, you obviously don't know much about modern cars either. The prices of 20 to 30k is almost double the actual price. And to say old cars are safer is not true. I have a few old cars and they are fun but no intelligent person would argue that they are safer than a new car. Your phrase "into a thousand pieces" does have some truth if you consider that a fender bender in my 1975 spider crumples metal whereas a fender bender in my modern car breaks plastic trim pieces and bumper surrounds. I would personally fair better in a crash in the modern car but it would be easier to fix the old car assuming I survived to do so.
You got me thinking though about what car would be a futur collectable and it would proabably be a first generation hybrid. They would have been purchased by people that weren't car people so they won't be saved in large numbers which will increase their rarity and they will be recognized as a turning point in automotive history 20-30 years from now.
"How could anyone forget the PT? It's easy to spot as it sits along the roadside with no get up and go."
Okay, you got me there. The stock PT will never turn any heads at the dragstrip. I was referring to styling only. At least you can tell a PT when you see one, which is more than you can say for most of these look-alike econoboxes today. Far as I'm concerned, the golden age of cars was the late 50s & early 60s, when styling was important. My first car was a white 59 Impala convertible. I remember the excitement every September waiting to see what the new Fords (or Chevys or Pontiacs or Thunderbirds or Corvettes) looked like.
Actually, I think that the Mazda Miata, the Mini Cooper, and Mitsubishi Evo will be highly collectible some 30 years from now, depending upon their condition. Totally original models, followed by those with correct accessories, will have the most value, with the value of tuner cars going from very high to very low, depending on the quality of workmanship and provenance. There will never be any more prewar cars- Duesenberg, Packard, etc. There will not be any more Original '60s muscle. With each of these cars, there was generally a very small market segment of special cars, at least in retrospect, in a sea of toasters. Every car in the 50's though was different, and styling was king. Because they were all special, the designs were at the time little appreciated, and with few exceptions, few examples survive today. The muscle car era offered many cool cars, but because of as yet undeveloped metallurgy, many of these cars are now gone as well. Better materials and better care technology will preserve the current selection of sports cars for decades. Watch the Barrett-Jackson Auctions, and go to their site to see what has sold over the years, and what you will find is that there is a linear progression of cars that are sold there, in the seventies, they started with prewar, in the 2000s, they have featured first a lot of 50's and more recently a lot of 60's and it is only a matter of time when there is a demand, like say some 30 years from now when the then grown up fast and furious crowd wants to cash in on some of their wind farm shares to recapture their youth, that the few cool cars made now bring the big bucks.
Hot rods and Harley's are like rock and roll. They will always have a place.I think resistance to government regulating them off the streets will be fierce for a long lonnggg time!!
Well any car made past 1980, is Junk,,,, theres nothing to them,, they all look the same, dull body styles, nothing really different, and their boring,,, thanks to Detroit and their over-educated College Idiots with their throw away society attitude,, that designed these cars, to keep up with at that time in the 1980's Japenese Imports that were flooding the markets here in the US. Its not just Cars either, its the Big Class 8 Trucks too, the Semi's, like Peterbilt- Kenworth, Mack,,there were some really cool looking Big Rigs back in the 1960's and 1970's , like for Example the 1966 needle nose Peterbilt with the small windshields, the 1972 Peterbilt with the wide grill and narrow windows and the 1976 Kenworth Aerodynes introduced that year (WWW.TYRONEMALONE.NET ), and many other really neat vehicles, but anymore Detroit just wants to put out Cookie cutter automobiles that all look the same inside & out at such ridlicious prices its pathetic ! Just look at the electronics industry, their the same way,, almost everything you buy now is black or gray, and look the same,, almost like the clothes we wear, the same, kitchen appliances and new homes that are nothing but pre-fab junk put together with foreign labor thats not supposed to be here anyway,, So- Welcome to the New America,, land of Plain and Dull and Boring,, and Jobless and Broke, filled with Corruption & Fraud, and Anger & Hate & Rage,, and scores of Hungary Children and Parents, and boring cars !!! Lord gimme the "Jetsons"- so I can Blast Off to another Planet ~!!!
A lot of crap has been built in the last 30 years, but a lot of crap was built in the 30 before and the 30 before that... and will be in the next 30.
All of the bad stuff masks the good stuff - makes it hard to see.
Others have mentioned the PT and the xB - dunno about those, but I'd bet some of the early 80s Mustangs will be classics, and the new Shelby Mustang probably will be too. Some of the Corvettes will become classics, and maybe the Dodge Magnum... or maybe not.
The age of the muscle car might be over, but people will still collect cars. There will be something that makes just a few cars special - say the Lotus Elise, relatively rare and a 'drivers' car, or some of the 911's.
Cobiker, i'm with you. Classic doesn't have to mean 427 cu. in. My Mini cooper S is a classic replica of days past. I loved the 1973 TR 6 with electric over drive. The new Triumph Boneville 2009 and my dyna low rider 2001 screamed classic the day i got it. It seems to me classics are alive and well. The Lotus Elise is a great one. I just recently discovered Jay Leno's garage. The list doesn't stop. You want to see what is different in electrics and hybrids, check out the Brammo electric motorcycle or the Aptera electric auto. These are not going to be your mothers Prius.
An article that is both whiny and poorly researched. Kudos!
Oy.
First, I suspect the author only ever saw the original concept for the Volt, which bore a resemblance to the new Camaro. However, and I'm sorry to crush the author's will to live, but the pre-production prototypes for the Volt look more like a Chevy Cobalt or, dare I say it, a Prius.
Anyone who spends even a little time investigating EVs learns that electric motors have instant torque, and one of the challenges that will likely face engineers for some time is how to temper that torque so as not to cause premature tire wear.
For decades, the car makers have known that a lower coefficient drag number translates to better fuel efficiency, so a lot of cars might start to look alike--beginning back in the 1980s.
The cars built by the Detroit 3 don't have to all look alike, but increasing people don't care as much about the coolness of their car. In that sense, we have matured as a nation.
The Age of Oil is coming to an end. Get used to it.
The human race was once special because of their individuality. It is that that individuality which makes you more human, more developed, more mature. If you accept the fact that from the minute you emerge from the womb, you must fit into a mold cast by some total stranger that you will never meet, then you are less somehow. It is a lazy way to think, a bit of a welfare mentality. That you are standing around waiting for someone to give you a thought. As if you haven't time to think for your self. It is an effort, you know, and it takes a degree of maturity to learn to develop fully a thought on your own. To take ownership of that thought. You and I and all of the rest of the thoughtful folks contributing here will be long in the ground before petroleum even begins to decline, and that's a good thing for all of us, because our entire world today, is made up mainly of petroleum and it's products. It is good to develop and improve all of our technologies looking to the future, but if we were to stop using oil tomorrow, we truly would be back in the dark ages.
Yes, the story IS silly. The glory days of factory hot rods and muscle cars have been gone for a long time. The Arab oil embargo put the one of the last nails in the coffin, as did emissions laws that were so poorly written and implemented that they created crippled cars that couldn't legally be improved upon, even if emissions were decreased. Same with the myth of the front-wheel drive car being better to drive in adverse conditions. No, it was just cheaper to build.
There are Corvettes (for now) and Exotics available now, but the muscle car and off-the showroom floor sleepers like one could get in the early 60s have been gone for a long time.
I'll hang on to my Model A Ford Pickup and Monte Carlo Super Sport. I don't need any of the new politically correct jellybean cars.
One more thing. The car in the photo on the first page of this story is a 39 Merc, totally different from a 51. This seems to exemplify the lack of understanding on the part of the author.
If you'll excuse me, I'm on my way to a hot rod cruise night.
My first car was a 78 Le Baron coup with jacked rear tires. Automatic everything in it. CHROME! You could do 75 without even feeling it- a ticket writer's dream. Washed it every other Saturday. Ran it into the ground and wept when they towed it for the last time from my college apartment. My next car was an 86 Olds Ciera. Just wasnt the same.
Classic car body. As for the automatic, didnt have a choice pal. I require handcontrols to drive. Or would you suggest I grow a third arm from my chest? For the record, I meant POWER everything(windows, seats, etc). I had a lot of fun with that vehicle.
NO- that car in the photograph,, is I know my cars,, like the palm of my hand,,, that car in the photo is I guarantee ya , its a 1973 Volkswagon,,,, sure of it I think ~!!! :):):):):) !!!
Just because things are old doesn't mean that we have to cling to them to the point of insanity. However, some things from the past have a great deal of value. I don't see anyone suggesting that the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel be replaced by a Jumbotron, nor do I see anyone proposing that all music written before 2000 should be discarded and only hip-hop sounds (not music) replace them.
Moving forward with technology doesn't mean discarding everything from the past. In the case of the cars of the golden age, there are some who wish to restore them to original condition, just as one would do with virtually any museum piece. In the case of hot rods and kustoms (always spelled with a "k") some people prefer to build them in a traditional style, just as some people enjoy playing classical music. Others prefer a complete modernization with all the "comforts" of newer vehicles.
As for myself, I own a 48" flat screen tv wired into my stereo. No, it's not a complete home theater, but that's not what I wanted. I don't play vinyl albums or 8-tracks, although I own many of them. I've converted them all to mp3 format and play them from a USB thumb drive in my car.
Just because some prefer cars (and trucks and bikes) from an age where those things had character doesn't mean we reject all other technology. If that was the case, I wouldn't be writing this post on a state-of-the-art computer.
I believe it's possible to love hot rods and muscle cars and still live in today's world. However, the cars sold today have very little character compared to those of the "golden age." Cars and trucks currently available have no appeal for me. They're insipid melted butter dishes "made of ticky-tacky and they all look just the same" to quote Malvina Reynolds.
Since the 50s, I've held the opinion that the car one drives is a reflection of one's personality. If that holds true today, the current crop of cars reflects a society of lemmings...all alike and blindly headed over a cliff. I don't like that mindset. I'll march to my own drummer just as I have for over 60 years. I don't want to drink the automotive Kool-Aid (ok, it was Flavor-Aid that Jim Jones fed to his followers) so I don't think I'll be buying another "new" car again. I can't afford a Corvette, Camaro or Charger, so I'll stick with the small fleet of old cars I currently own. However, if I happen to run across a 1957 Studebaker Silver Hawk, I'll snatch it up and put the body on a late-model Corvette frame...because that's the tune my drummer is playing.
It's a pity that the days of the 409 motor in a Chevy Biscayne or a 396 in a Nova or a 426 Hemi in a Dodge Coronet are gone. I could really go for an HHR with an LT1 motor but I was very disappointed when I found out that it's FWD and only 2 versions of 4-cylinder are available.
Yep. I'll keep my "old junk" and enjoy its character since there's very little of that available today but I won't strive to be a Luddite in other areas.
I'm sorry Andy Granatelli had a bad day at the Indy 500 but I'm glad that probably spelled the end of turbine engines in that race. Turbine engines and electric motors in cars just don't sound right.
Basically it is about time that America grew up and stop thinking of cars and trucks as an extension of our egos. Cars and trucks are transportation and should be thought of that way. Consumers also need utility and safety, but the days of driving around hoping everyone is looking at "me" should be over....Grow up America.
You mentioned safety. Try sliding head on, on ice, into a concrete block wall at 20 mph with a new car. Likely the whole front end will disappear. I had this happen to me about 50 years ago. I was driving a 1941 Buick Roadmaster. I bent the front bumper and broke one of the four brackets that hold it. That is safety!!! Also, as mentiond in another thread, any car up until the late 70's could be tuned to get 30+ mpg without any loss of power.
Bdad, do you mean "grow up- your thoughts are no longer your own. Omommy is going to tell you how to live, how to think, what to drive, how to march: legs straight, knees locked, right arm up and hand flat, lock step"? Just trying to clarify.
I'm 52yrs old and own three vehicles, an 06 Mustang GT, a 93 Firebird Formula, and a 93 Corvette. I just sold my 75 Vette to buy the 93. When I was 19 and in the service I owned a 68 GTO 400/4spd. My 06 Mustang would smoke my 68 GTO and the 75 Vette in every respect as would my 93 Vette and Formula. All three of the newer year cars are more reliable as well. I haven't driven a new Challanger or a new Camaro, but assuming either is better than the Mustang, American built muscle is alive and well.
If the "fleet" of classics and muscle cars is dwindling, what are the fans squawking about? It means their museum pieces will retain or increase in value, as the bulk of pollution pukers (V8, carburetor fed, cam-crunchers) are crushed or dismantled for parts. As the numbers of these "high emissions vehicles" declines via attrition or rebuilding with modern guts ('retro-rods' is one term) then their net contribution to smog, ozone, and Carbon emissions will also shrink. Hey, I don't see the Feds rushing to shut down the Durango to Silverton Railway, which uses a restored set of steam locomotives (coal or wood fired) ~ so what is the problem? As a practical environmentalist, involved in green building, I think somebody needs to conduct a reasonable analysis of just how much marginal air pollution is produced by a small fleet of specialty vehicles that maybe travel 1,000 miles per year, and are largely for "show and shine" events that make their owners feel good, and spectators happy longing for the "good old days". Of course one could always switch to restoring classic motorcycles like I do, then emissions are very small. ~ BD
It is our American right to have a car that makes loud sound, uses bucket of gasoline per mile and weights 5000 lb. This right was granted to us by founding fathers in the constitution of United States of America, Number One Country in the world.
Thanks to the annual event in Reno, NV called Hot August Nights, the era of classic cars won't ever have to go away. In the first week of August every year, Reno and neighboring Sparks celebrates cars, music, everything classic. Cars as old as 1915 participate in the weeklong events. Hot August Nights draws visitors to the area from as far away as Alaska, Canada, Maryland, and Georgia. We even see a couple come here from Hawaii! Hot August Nights is a ton of fun, and my favorite time of the year. I highly look forward to it every single year. :-)
I think the idea of what constitutes a classic car will change as the next generation grows up. But that is the way it's always been; the Model T's don't hold nearly the fascination and excitement that the muscle cars of the 60's give me. I think, though, that there will always be people on the road that will admire a well kept classic car.
My 1968 GTO is still a traffic stopper and my daughter's friends fight to see who is going cruising with Dad on any given night.
TAW, this isn't a shot at your Mustang, and I'm sure it is faster that my 400 dual-gate GTO, but when it comes to turning heads, I think my baby may just win that contest. There's just something smiley about the languid lines on that car. BTW, I'm your age and admire your taste in cars.
I think I'll save the story about how I set the 86 Vette on fire for another time.
The germans are the only ones still making classics,check out the new Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG Black series, V-12 twin turbo and carbon fiber everywhere and if you can't get that BMW M3 V-8 420 hp probally one of the best handlling cars on the road
Oooooohhhhh! German. Ya! Who the hell can afford them? And my little Euro sucking friend......they do not even meet emmissions standards. Why are they even being allowed into the country? Because the Rich and the Shameless think they are a symbol of their wealth. WTF. This country was founded by our automobile manufacturers. Show some respect....or.....shut the hell up!!!
People only see what they want to. Starting with the author. His ignorance of old cars is obvious to anyone who looks at the photo at the beginning of the article. It's a '39, not a '51, as well as it being a convertible, not a coupe.
The passion people have for their cars is NOT going away. Just because the people he interviewed don't like new cars, does not mean the kids of today hate them as well. In the fifties, there were several articles written about how the new cars from that era would never be collectible due to lousy engineering and build quality. Sound familiar? Now fifties cars are all the rage, and people around the world love them. Todays kids will be restoring WRXs, Evos and Acuras, as well as Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers. It will be then as now, a matter of personal taste.
One person in the article doubted this saying that the kids today will use them up and throw them away. Which will be true to a certain degree. But then when I was in high school, kids did the same thing to muscle cars then as well. I know of guys who routinely thrashed GTOs, Mustangs, and Chargers into the ground, sent them to the junkyard, then would buy another one and do the same thing to it.
I had a '71 Road Runner. 440-6 Barrel. It was a fast car for its time. But the reality is that almost any mid-sized front wheel drive V-6 sedan built anywhere is capable of the same mid-low 14 second quarter mile E.T.s that the stock Road Runner was capable of. With the added benefits of good gas mileage, and emissions that won't kill you. While most muscle cars could hit 130 mph easily, would you really want to with the crude suspensions and drum brakes? As much as I don't want to own a new Corvette, you have to admit, they make a compelling case for modern muscle. The base model has over 400 hp, can top out at close to 190, yet is still civilized enough that your grandmother could drive it to the Bingo Hall. Popular Mechanics took a base 'Vette on a trip, and with the cruise control set at 55 mph, got 32.8 mpg. Think about that, better mpg than a lot of economy cars, in a seriously fast high powered sports car. The new Mustangs get over 25 mpg on the highway with the V8, same with the new Camaro and Challenger. (the Road Runner could barely hit 10 mpg) They are superior in every way to the old stuff, and better built to boot. It used to be that rolling 100K on the odometer was an accomplishment. Now, even the cheapest Korean built subcompact will go to 150K with minimal maintenance, and most cars will cover 200K without it being a big deal.
That all being said, I still prefer to drive my old cars. I don't care about the mileage. When I'm tooling down the road in my '63 Caddy, looking out over the mile-long hood, and enjoying the throb of the big V-8, it is an experience that cannot be replicated by a new car. I drive the Caddy several time a week, as well as my '86 AMC Eagle wagon. I have a '57 DeSoto as well that will be a daily driver when it is finished. Perhaps 40 years from now, when the new cars are old, they will be able to give someone the same pleasure that my old cars give me today.
Remember, it's not the age of the car you drive that is important, but the passion you have for it.
Cash for clunkers is nothing more than a test of just how much we care about, or don't care about our cars. It is supposed to tell us something- that everyone wants to drive a prius. But it is bad science at it's worst. The tiny amount of money assures that this program will only entice those who would have traded in right now any way, giving the false impression that Americans no longer feel special about their cars. But in fact nothing could be further from the truth. Out cars are friends, family members, and a source of pride and identity. This attempt by the rogues in congress to put us all into identical cars is a step on the road to totalitarianism. The existence of this article is more proof of just how far left wing MSNBC has become. The freedom of the press that they should at least claim to hold dear is of no concern to them. Shame.
Foolish story. Do you know that there is a guy who already races and drag races all-electric cars? You can have the look and feel, and SPEED, of a classic car but with a non-gasoline engine.
I foresee an emerging industry where people build replicas of kick ass American cars, but out of carbon fibre bodies and tube aluminum frames and electric engines. With new materials and technologies the coolest American cars are yet to come... Yes, we have have both in this case!
Neil Young's 60s Lincoln sedan land yacht has been electric for a long time now, I don't see him crying about losing his classic car...
That's because Neil Young is an idiot.
Let em try and replicate the sound of a big block gas guzzler.
It's all about supply and demand. In the world of collecting, one might sell a turd if it has proper provenance, is in its original condition, polished, and is presented well.
Joking aside, there will be plenty of future demand for today's cars--and as always, just a select few cars. There are several that come to mind.
The era for fossil fuels is coming to an end. Unfortunately, classic cars relied entirely on that. We relied too much on cheap oil. Especially after WW2. I think it was the wrong path we took since the industrial age but I don't think we knew that this was going to lead to the mess we are right now. Big Oil corruption, rogue oil producing countries, two Iraq wars, or Venezuela's Hugo Chavez. Yeah, it does suck that these cars that are deeply embedded in our culture are gone, but we have to move on. Oil is going to run out soon. It is going to happen unless we can figure out a way to actually "make" crude oil or find some on a distant planet (likely impossible), we have no choice but to produce alternative energy. And it is going to be a very big change from our way of life whether we like it or not, it IS going to happen. Like senior Bush said, our American way of life is not negotiable. Well, we have a new negotiator. He's called reality and says we have absolutely no choice.
It really isn't all that difficult to see the vast difference between the classic cars of yesteryear to the mass produced ticky-tacky look alike cars of the 80's on up to todays models.
Just listen to the 'Sales Pitch' of back then compared to today. It's as different as night and day. Where the selling points used to be all the factors that had a direct influence on the operation of movement and how well the automobile performed compared to it's competitors- Such as Horsepower, Gear Ratios, Transmissions Suspension, Drivetrain, etc., etc.. Todays cars come with a 'Sales Pitch' entirely different - Such as, Mega-Watt sound systems, DVD Players for backseat passengers, Heated seating, Cupholders! Friggin' Cupholders! (there's an important item, huh? Ha!), Fabric choices for seating, Navigational aides, Lighted Mirrors on visors, - All the comforts for a sedentary lifestyle of sitting still.
But hey... Look at the economics of it today. Many parts such as front and rear quarter panels, bumpers, hood and trunk lids are all interchangeable with a plethora of other 'Stylish' models because they all look the same.
My 68 GTO will never die. Or be SOLD. It will still be living long after I am gone. No computer, no smog controls, so wimpy air baggies, no plastic bumpers. Just hard chrome steel and 400 cubic inches of raw, tire smoking power. Cars were not intended to self destruct with a 25MPH bump back then. If the wreck was hard enough to scratch the chrome, it was hard enough to kill the driver. I love those cars. It still gets attention everywhere I go.
The new generation of driver's have substituted speaker bump for header howl.
Too bad, so sad.
The BEST the new cars do is IMITATE the real ones. Good try but no cigar.
hope the radical, tree hugging losers don't try to take my 70 vette with the 454. not gonna happen.
The internal combustion engine will be around for a long time to come - far longer than any of us will likely live.
The problem with electric and hybrid vehicles is the expense. The extra cost of financing, depreciation, taxes and maintenance will make them non-competitive for anyone that bothers to run the numbers.
I compared a Honda Civic Hybrid vs a Honda Civic gas model (same body style), driving 20,000 miles per year, and the 5 year cost of ownership for the hybrid was about $15,000 - $20,000 higher than the gas only model.
All electric models will suffer from the same deficiencies, and that's BEFORE the government starts to tax all-electrics to compensate for lost gasoline taxes - probably with a mileage tax at registration time.
One of the biggest laughs I get is watching one of today's Japanese rice burners try to act like a muscle car. Not only is it funny to watch but with those exhaust systems they have some of them sound like runaway chain saws. I recently went to a car show and there were some of these wanna be muscle cars there. They were about as interesting as watching paint dry. Most of the crowd including me was checking out the original American muscle iron.
The way I see it, it's like arguing over who the better athlete is from different decades. Shaq vs. Chamberlain, Kobe vs. Jordan ect., or which music is better, the music from the 60's or the current music. Do you prefer the hirsute look downstairs on women in the past or the prepubescent look of the women of today. The truth of the matter is that there is no right answer other than the best car, athlete, music, or bush is the one you like the most.
Unfortunately, there will always be the people who insist that their preference is the only opinion that counts on the subject and the rest of us be damned. The diciples of the american classic cars seem to have forgotten the many sins of the old classics. They were great to drive fast if you were only going in a straight line unless you had modified the suspension and remember that the only tires used to be bias ply tires, which didn't have very good performance when it came to curves. If you lived in the north, you could count on the body being rusted out within 6 or 7 years. There were a few exceptional looking cars, just like today, but for the most part they were average looking. The part I feel most nostalgic about the old cars is because I could repair or replace practically anything on the car with a good set of wrenches and Chilton's manual. Now you have to have a computer background and huge array of tools to fix anything on the new cars.
People will always look back at their youth and remember the good aspects of it, so I think it's only normal for people to defend the memories of their youth in the cars, athletes, music or anything else associated with their youth. But make no mistake about it, technology has vastly improved anything that is mechanical in nature over the past 50 years, so it's really a love of nostalgia for one's youth, if your comparing which cars are superior between old classic cars and the cars of today. I certainly won't play tennis with my old Jack Kramer wood tennis racket, or use my 30 year old set of golf clubs compared to the technological advances which have helped improve my game, or cars that handle and perform better in every area compared to similar cars from the past. I will always feel a certain nostalgia about the products of my youth, but god bless modern engineering!
Yeah, and it BORED people to death!
You'll never replace the sound, smell and feel of a gasoline engine.
Figures AP would run a story like this, trying to prep everyone for coming wave of boredom in Amercan automotive life. People like the writers and editors at AP just don't get it.
HEY AP!!!! IT'S A '41, NOT A '51!!!!. YOU LOSERS!!!!
Hey AP ,
By the way.... YOUR PRIUS STILL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess nutball says it all. Drag racing electric cars!!!! I damn near pee'd my pants........laughing. Kids (for lack of better term) today have no clue what a muscle, classic or a hot-rod are. Wrong era and too ignorant to know better. But substituting a Japanese P.O.S. and calling it a muscle car or classic, is wrong. It's like comparing a Shetland pony to a Clydesdale. Which is incidently, about the same comparison with the horsepower too. I recognize Drifting, not as a Sport, just recognize it. Who is the biggest tush kicker.....Vaughn Gittin!!! What does he drive? A 650h.p. FORD MUSTANG! They come for my American Classic and Muscle Cars, they will come face to face with the Smith & Wesson they thought they were going to take away. The American Muscle Car is an icon, known throughout the World. It will never be laid to rest. The majority of the people in the US have sold their souls out to the Japanese, Germans, Koreans. That's sad. Anybody remember Pearl Harbor, WW I, WW II, the Korean Conflict????? We have gone from ass-kicking to ass-kissing. Pathetic. People bitch about the economy. Quit your bitching......you did it to yourselves you friggin' traitors. Wake up People!!!!!!!
Randal, your 400 cubic inch combustion motor isn’t so special. What is special is the fuel source it uses. Liquid petroleum is amazing stuff; too bad there's only so much of it. Your 400 cubic inch combustion motor is only about 20% efficient; most of the heat it produces is lost through the radiator and the exhaust pipe. And that noise it makes, what you call “header howl”, is also wasted energy. The combustion motor is a piece of crap.
Bite me Vector. I'll crunch your electric car and not even get a scratch.
Seriously though, there certainly were drawbacks to the GOOD stuff. They are a bit scarey at 110 whereas a new car cruises pretty smooth at those speeds. No one here is saying they were perfect in every way, but no NEW car will put a rumble in your girlfriends pants like the feel of a 365 HP, RAW, GAS WASTING, TIRE SMOKING, V8.
And no one I would ever want to associate with will EVER give a wave and thumbs up at your Prius. Frankly, I'd be embarrassed if they pointed me out in one. I am what I am, I'd rather hang with the "rednecks" and muscle cars.
But everyone is different and times are changing. I DO appreciate the need to use less energy. Really.
A 76 Bonneville 4 door gas guzzler has NOTHING to go with the cars in this article. SOME gas guzzlers DO need to go away.
But you'll NEVER change my mind or get my Goat from me and my 12 gauge.
Just like my VINYL record collection, nothing else will EVER compete.
The problem is that the laws of aerodynamics can't be broken. Every car designer is working with the same cD (coefficient of drag) numbers. This pushes every design toward every other design in some sort of computer convergence.
Another issue of convergence is safety. Safety has to be designed in. That also causes designs to become more and more similar. Small cars are more intrinsically safe than larger cars (based on passenger miles driven) because they are more nimble and don't get in as many accidents. (The worst are SUV's which have the greatest number of fatalities per pmd and by far the greatest number of single-vehicle deaths and injuries.) As safety standards increase, smaller cars become more necessary. (And if you believe that old "the big car always wins" theory you should ride Amtrak.)
Classic cars are mostly about looks. Horsepower beyond a certain power to weight ratio is just a joke. Handling has become so refined that any car these days handles incredibly better than a perfectly-tuned race car of 15 years ago. Interior appointments today are more lush (though mostly plastic) than a Bentley of 10 years ago.
People latch onto things they lack, often with no rhyme nor reason. An example is the old Mustang. It was probably one of the most mechanically unreliable and poorly handling cars ever built, but people loved them. People are also afraid of change. Electric vehicles actually scare people because they seem to know little or nothing about them. All change scares some people and causes their heels to dig in. That's just human nature.
And BTW --- in theory because no one has yet built one ---- there is no internal combustion dragster that could compete with an electric dragster that was powered by fast-discharge capacitors driving two electric motors. Currently drag racing rules are being re-written to prevent the entry of electric cars just as they were re-written in the past to prevent gas turbine cars.
Another example of Government involving itself, with tunnel vision. To all you naysayers out there saying boohoo the feds had to get involved to save the economy, I say to you that it was the Feds that were the root of this mess.
The nice thing about capitalism is that over time it will recover and weed out all the weak and corrupt, just a pity it does not work for the federal and state government.
If these comments are any indication, so called muscle cars are, were, and will be simply penis extensions for a bunch of insecure americans in a world that is passing them by.
We look at neanderthals in museums rather than talk to them for a reason.
Virgo - what a worn out cleche'.
Do you own or want to own anything that you think is "over the top" in cool points? And does it mean you have penis envy?
A shiny Rolex, an I phone, a big SUV or Lexus? Or maybe a pair of Birkenstocks or any number of "name brand" articles of clothing? Perhaps a big HDTV or surround sound system?
Most people own SOMETHING that they think is top of the line in its category. Depends of what type of stuff you are into. Those that don't tend to be dull people with no appreciable interests and/or hobbies. In my case it happens to be a car.
So why is my car more of a sexual thing than your Birkenstocks? True, they both help to attrack certains types of women. But my car is also "fun" all by itself, when no women are around to see it. And by comparison to new cars, it is easy to work on with no computer crap and all the mechanical parts are cheap and easy to find.
The fact that YOU see it as a sex object must mean YOU think it is sexy. Further, by extension you are admitting YOUR car is NOT. And that is EXACTLY what this article is about.
Remaking classics?????????????Sorry but I'd rather have my '66 mustang. Nothing can compare to the cars of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. These vehicles will always be the best. They are the coolest care America has ever/will have. Furthermore your electric whatever is just replicas of remote control cars. Phullzzzzzzzzzzzz go buy a classic and see what you and others are missing.
Smoked Ya!
Well ,I sure hope so."classic cars indeed"what a waste of time and money, some poor old fool trying to regain he's high school days. When he should be saving for he's grandchild ed. My husband had a 1964 vett, I ran it into a house. :)
Paulette-
Hopefully he dumped your sorry a$$ and let your brat grandkids take care of themselves.
i will hold on to my 1980 l82 corvette till they come pry it out of my cold dead hand
Mav
I know one thing for sure. I would rather listen to the rumble of the internal combustion V8 engine in that '64 Corvette than I would that whining sound coming from the flap trap on Paulette.
Women with no respect for men's things don't like PLAYING with men's things...
Paulette:
Are you a man-hater or what? I'm a grandfather and it is not my responsibility to SAVE for anyone's education. I worked my way through college and graduate school, and I'll be D*@#ed if I'll pay for someone to attend college on my dime. Earn it of DO WITHOUT!
jime - You captured my thought entirely. My folks didn't pay for my college. We were raised 'Old School'.
Paulette, I think I know why your old man spent his nights polishing his Corvette.
Paulette -
Hate to burst your Cinderella bubblehead, but have you no idea what a cherried out '64 Vette is worth?
Probably more than the house you ran it into. Ha!
Hey Paulette ~
You are an idiot! I would definitely let my hubby have a 64 Corvette and be proud to ride in it with him knowing what it is worth! And I totally agree...Grandkids need to put their own Stinking A$$ through College...You owe them nothing...let them get government loans and WORK to pay them off...You Can't Take Out A Loan For Retirement!!!!
Paulette......next time you get the assnine urge to run a Classic car into a building......hit it at 150 mph. Don't want your type to walk away from a tragedy such as that. Better yet.......stupid people like you should go buy a Prius and run it into a brick wall at top speed. I just hope they go fast enough to do the job.
I am a woman and I own a '67 Camaro with a 396!!! Built it myself and I don't look or act like a guy either! I wear dresses and am slim and attractive. I think my car with it's beautiful curves reflects my own inner and outer self. I would NEVER be so ignorant as to run a classic beauty into a house a wall or a tree, on purpose anyway!!
Only people with class will ever appreciate classic cars and they will NEVER go out of style!! They have raw power and beautiful body lines and don't need t'v's, cup holders, mirrors or heated seats with memories to adjust to the driver to make them special!
My car has a radio and that's it. NO power brakes, windows, seats, mirrors, or automatic lights. No cupholder, no vanity mirror, no radio controls on the steering wheel, no fancy anything, just lots of heart thumping power with a lope you can dance to. I don't need to recreate my youth with my car either as both of us have aged in the last 25 years like a fine wine! The BEST part is that IF I ever crash, I am surrounded with STEEL, not plastic and I am a whole lot safer in an older car than in a newer one!!
Dessa - You had me when you mentioned the lope you can dance to. ... C'mere Beautiful. ; )
Paulette, The car you destroyed because you are a mentally unbalanced person with little self worth would have paid for the education for all of your grandchildren. If you did that to my car, I would have had you prosecuted for felony destruction of property, for which you would likely serve more time than murder, appropriate for a car which auctions today for up to $200,000. If you are proud of this "accomplishment" then you should take all of the money you are planning to spend on your grandchildren, and get some serious mental help, before you are allowed to spend any unsupervised time near them.
Paulette,
If they ever put the "c-word" in the dictionary, be sure to send them a pic so that they can include a graphic representation of the embodiment of the word when used as a noun!
This is news?
Those days are gone for good. I grew up during the heyday of the muscle cars and owned a couple myself. I feel privileged to have been a part of that great era when automoiles were actually something to be proud of.
Personally, I wouldn't in my wildest dreams, under any circumstances ever entertain the thought of buying one of the teched-out computerized pieces of s*** that's being produced today.
I choose to drive old Japanese clunkers that I can buy for $500 bucks and drive for 100,000 or so miles and when they finally die, just call the junk yard to recycle them and get another one. I haven't paid more than $500 for a vehicle since 1982 and have had the most dependable, cheapest to operate vehicles I've ever owned in the process.
JIMHO, anyone who goes into debt for years just to own a new car simply is not playing with a full deck.
This generation does have cars that they can collect. The Pontiac solstice, the honda s2000, and the scion xB will be still coveted 20 or 30 years from now. I remeber being at car shows when I was younger and the old guys scoffing at someone who had brought in a 70's mach mustang. Too new, they said. As far as they were concerned anything post WWII would never be collectable.
The problem with the newer cars are that they will be very difficult to restore because of all the electronics and plastics. Perhaps that is part of the problem that the current car manufactures are having: There is a disconnect between the car owners and their cars. Open the hood of newer BMW and there is another hood hiding the motor!
Don't forget the PT cruiser.
How could anyone forget the PT? It's easy to spot as it sits along the roadside with no get up and go.
Northern Canadian, that's some funny sh*t!! Scions!! Hondas?? Hahahahaha! The word collectible cannot be used with these types of cars. There is nothing collectible about a disposable overpriced piece of junk with little resale value and a 5 years payment that oftentimes is almost as much as what I paid for my house 9 years ago.
Yeah, I'd say $20k or $30k is an awefully high ticket for something that crumbles into a thousand pieces in a 25mph crash. You were right about one thing though, they are harder to restore with all the plastic and computers!
Dessa: I don't think you are clear on what makes a collectible car. In 1978 GM released the indy pace car collectible corvette with a big sticker on the side proclaiming it a collectible. They were made in large numbers and purchased by people that babied them and stored them away. So that 1978 never became really collectible because it was never rare and not really desirable. In contrast the 55 chevy was produced in large numbers but at the time no one saved them mint. They drove them until they were just considered used cars. The 55 was not collectible until later, after the youth of 55 grew up and became nostalgic. That is exactly what will become of the Scion xB and the Honda civics. You thinking they aren't good cars only helps their desirability. If old people did like them then they would have no appeal to young people.
And, you obviously don't know much about modern cars either. The prices of 20 to 30k is almost double the actual price. And to say old cars are safer is not true. I have a few old cars and they are fun but no intelligent person would argue that they are safer than a new car. Your phrase "into a thousand pieces" does have some truth if you consider that a fender bender in my 1975 spider crumples metal whereas a fender bender in my modern car breaks plastic trim pieces and bumper surrounds. I would personally fair better in a crash in the modern car but it would be easier to fix the old car assuming I survived to do so.
You got me thinking though about what car would be a futur collectable and it would proabably be a first generation hybrid. They would have been purchased by people that weren't car people so they won't be saved in large numbers which will increase their rarity and they will be recognized as a turning point in automotive history 20-30 years from now.
"How could anyone forget the PT? It's easy to spot as it sits along the roadside with no get up and go."
Okay, you got me there. The stock PT will never turn any heads at the dragstrip. I was referring to styling only. At least you can tell a PT when you see one, which is more than you can say for most of these look-alike econoboxes today. Far as I'm concerned, the golden age of cars was the late 50s & early 60s, when styling was important. My first car was a white 59 Impala convertible. I remember the excitement every September waiting to see what the new Fords (or Chevys or Pontiacs or Thunderbirds or Corvettes) looked like.
Actually, I think that the Mazda Miata, the Mini Cooper, and Mitsubishi Evo will be highly collectible some 30 years from now, depending upon their condition. Totally original models, followed by those with correct accessories, will have the most value, with the value of tuner cars going from very high to very low, depending on the quality of workmanship and provenance. There will never be any more prewar cars- Duesenberg, Packard, etc. There will not be any more Original '60s muscle. With each of these cars, there was generally a very small market segment of special cars, at least in retrospect, in a sea of toasters. Every car in the 50's though was different, and styling was king. Because they were all special, the designs were at the time little appreciated, and with few exceptions, few examples survive today. The muscle car era offered many cool cars, but because of as yet undeveloped metallurgy, many of these cars are now gone as well. Better materials and better care technology will preserve the current selection of sports cars for decades. Watch the Barrett-Jackson Auctions, and go to their site to see what has sold over the years, and what you will find is that there is a linear progression of cars that are sold there, in the seventies, they started with prewar, in the 2000s, they have featured first a lot of 50's and more recently a lot of 60's and it is only a matter of time when there is a demand, like say some 30 years from now when the then grown up fast and furious crowd wants to cash in on some of their wind farm shares to recapture their youth, that the few cool cars made now bring the big bucks.
Hot rods and Harley's are like rock and roll. They will always have a place.I think resistance to government regulating them off the streets will be fierce for a long lonnggg time!!
AMEN!!!!!
Well any car made past 1980, is Junk,,,, theres nothing to them,, they all look the same, dull body styles, nothing really different, and their boring,,, thanks to Detroit and their over-educated College Idiots with their throw away society attitude,, that designed these cars, to keep up with at that time in the 1980's Japenese Imports that were flooding the markets here in the US. Its not just Cars either, its the Big Class 8 Trucks too, the Semi's, like Peterbilt- Kenworth, Mack,,there were some really cool looking Big Rigs back in the 1960's and 1970's , like for Example the 1966 needle nose Peterbilt with the small windshields, the 1972 Peterbilt with the wide grill and narrow windows and the 1976 Kenworth Aerodynes introduced that year (WWW.TYRONEMALONE.NET ), and many other really neat vehicles, but anymore Detroit just wants to put out Cookie cutter automobiles that all look the same inside & out at such ridlicious prices its pathetic ! Just look at the electronics industry, their the same way,, almost everything you buy now is black or gray, and look the same,, almost like the clothes we wear, the same, kitchen appliances and new homes that are nothing but pre-fab junk put together with foreign labor thats not supposed to be here anyway,, So- Welcome to the New America,, land of Plain and Dull and Boring,, and Jobless and Broke, filled with Corruption & Fraud, and Anger & Hate & Rage,, and scores of Hungary Children and Parents, and boring cars !!! Lord gimme the "Jetsons"- so I can Blast Off to another Planet ~!!!
A lot of crap has been built in the last 30 years, but a lot of crap was built in the 30 before and the 30 before that... and will be in the next 30.
All of the bad stuff masks the good stuff - makes it hard to see.
Others have mentioned the PT and the xB - dunno about those, but I'd bet some of the early 80s Mustangs will be classics, and the new Shelby Mustang probably will be too. Some of the Corvettes will become classics, and maybe the Dodge Magnum... or maybe not.
The age of the muscle car might be over, but people will still collect cars. There will be something that makes just a few cars special - say the Lotus Elise, relatively rare and a 'drivers' car, or some of the 911's.
Cobiker, i'm with you. Classic doesn't have to mean 427 cu. in. My Mini cooper S is a classic replica of days past. I loved the 1973 TR 6 with electric over drive. The new Triumph Boneville 2009 and my dyna low rider 2001 screamed classic the day i got it. It seems to me classics are alive and well. The Lotus Elise is a great one. I just recently discovered Jay Leno's garage. The list doesn't stop. You want to see what is different in electrics and hybrids, check out the Brammo electric motorcycle or the Aptera electric auto. These are not going to be your mothers Prius.
An article that is both whiny and poorly researched. Kudos!
Oy.
First, I suspect the author only ever saw the original concept for the Volt, which bore a resemblance to the new Camaro. However, and I'm sorry to crush the author's will to live, but the pre-production prototypes for the Volt look more like a Chevy Cobalt or, dare I say it, a Prius.
Anyone who spends even a little time investigating EVs learns that electric motors have instant torque, and one of the challenges that will likely face engineers for some time is how to temper that torque so as not to cause premature tire wear.
For decades, the car makers have known that a lower coefficient drag number translates to better fuel efficiency, so a lot of cars might start to look alike--beginning back in the 1980s.
The cars built by the Detroit 3 don't have to all look alike, but increasing people don't care as much about the coolness of their car. In that sense, we have matured as a nation.
The Age of Oil is coming to an end. Get used to it.
The human race was once special because of their individuality. It is that that individuality which makes you more human, more developed, more mature. If you accept the fact that from the minute you emerge from the womb, you must fit into a mold cast by some total stranger that you will never meet, then you are less somehow. It is a lazy way to think, a bit of a welfare mentality. That you are standing around waiting for someone to give you a thought. As if you haven't time to think for your self. It is an effort, you know, and it takes a degree of maturity to learn to develop fully a thought on your own. To take ownership of that thought. You and I and all of the rest of the thoughtful folks contributing here will be long in the ground before petroleum even begins to decline, and that's a good thing for all of us, because our entire world today, is made up mainly of petroleum and it's products. It is good to develop and improve all of our technologies looking to the future, but if we were to stop using oil tomorrow, we truly would be back in the dark ages.
Had a 64 1/2 & 65 hp Mustang and an Avante R1 Supercharged.
The new cars look like something that came out of a cereal box.
Yes, anyone that pays 30k for a new car that looks just like everyone elses needs a mental tuneup.
Pro America, you remember the 57 Golden Hawks?
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Yes, the story IS silly. The glory days of factory hot rods and muscle cars have been gone for a long time. The Arab oil embargo put the one of the last nails in the coffin, as did emissions laws that were so poorly written and implemented that they created crippled cars that couldn't legally be improved upon, even if emissions were decreased. Same with the myth of the front-wheel drive car being better to drive in adverse conditions. No, it was just cheaper to build.
There are Corvettes (for now) and Exotics available now, but the muscle car and off-the showroom floor sleepers like one could get in the early 60s have been gone for a long time.
I'll hang on to my Model A Ford Pickup and Monte Carlo Super Sport. I don't need any of the new politically correct jellybean cars.
One more thing. The car in the photo on the first page of this story is a 39 Merc, totally different from a 51. This seems to exemplify the lack of understanding on the part of the author.
If you'll excuse me, I'm on my way to a hot rod cruise night.
May be it would help if the picture was the right year car it a 41 not a 51
My first car was a 78 Le Baron coup with jacked rear tires. Automatic everything in it. CHROME! You could do 75 without even feeling it- a ticket writer's dream. Washed it every other Saturday. Ran it into the ground and wept when they towed it for the last time from my college apartment. My next car was an 86 Olds Ciera. Just wasnt the same.
Classic car body. As for the automatic, didnt have a choice pal. I require handcontrols to drive. Or would you suggest I grow a third arm from my chest? For the record, I meant POWER everything(windows, seats, etc). I had a lot of fun with that vehicle.
The car in the photograph is hardly a 1951 Mercury. It's circa 1939.
I noticed that too. lol.not even close.
NO- that car in the photograph,, is I know my cars,, like the palm of my hand,,, that car in the photo is I guarantee ya , its a 1973 Volkswagon,,,, sure of it I think ~!!! :):):):):) !!!
The fenders give it away. '51 smoothed them out.
The Merc in the picture is not a '51. More like a '41.
Some people like to move forward with technology, i bet the guys with the old cars are not still watching a black and white tv sets.
Yeh and leave my albums and 8 tracks alone too! You can move forward and preserve the past too! The past has class!!!!
Just because things are old doesn't mean that we have to cling to them to the point of insanity. However, some things from the past have a great deal of value. I don't see anyone suggesting that the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel be replaced by a Jumbotron, nor do I see anyone proposing that all music written before 2000 should be discarded and only hip-hop sounds (not music) replace them.
Moving forward with technology doesn't mean discarding everything from the past. In the case of the cars of the golden age, there are some who wish to restore them to original condition, just as one would do with virtually any museum piece. In the case of hot rods and kustoms (always spelled with a "k") some people prefer to build them in a traditional style, just as some people enjoy playing classical music. Others prefer a complete modernization with all the "comforts" of newer vehicles.
As for myself, I own a 48" flat screen tv wired into my stereo. No, it's not a complete home theater, but that's not what I wanted. I don't play vinyl albums or 8-tracks, although I own many of them. I've converted them all to mp3 format and play them from a USB thumb drive in my car.
Just because some prefer cars (and trucks and bikes) from an age where those things had character doesn't mean we reject all other technology. If that was the case, I wouldn't be writing this post on a state-of-the-art computer.
I believe it's possible to love hot rods and muscle cars and still live in today's world. However, the cars sold today have very little character compared to those of the "golden age." Cars and trucks currently available have no appeal for me. They're insipid melted butter dishes "made of ticky-tacky and they all look just the same" to quote Malvina Reynolds.
Since the 50s, I've held the opinion that the car one drives is a reflection of one's personality. If that holds true today, the current crop of cars reflects a society of lemmings...all alike and blindly headed over a cliff. I don't like that mindset. I'll march to my own drummer just as I have for over 60 years. I don't want to drink the automotive Kool-Aid (ok, it was Flavor-Aid that Jim Jones fed to his followers) so I don't think I'll be buying another "new" car again. I can't afford a Corvette, Camaro or Charger, so I'll stick with the small fleet of old cars I currently own. However, if I happen to run across a 1957 Studebaker Silver Hawk, I'll snatch it up and put the body on a late-model Corvette frame...because that's the tune my drummer is playing.
It's a pity that the days of the 409 motor in a Chevy Biscayne or a 396 in a Nova or a 426 Hemi in a Dodge Coronet are gone. I could really go for an HHR with an LT1 motor but I was very disappointed when I found out that it's FWD and only 2 versions of 4-cylinder are available.
Yep. I'll keep my "old junk" and enjoy its character since there's very little of that available today but I won't strive to be a Luddite in other areas.
I'm sorry Andy Granatelli had a bad day at the Indy 500 but I'm glad that probably spelled the end of turbine engines in that race. Turbine engines and electric motors in cars just don't sound right.
Basically it is about time that America grew up and stop thinking of cars and trucks as an extension of our egos. Cars and trucks are transportation and should be thought of that way. Consumers also need utility and safety, but the days of driving around hoping everyone is looking at "me" should be over....Grow up America.
Bdad
You mentioned safety. Try sliding head on, on ice, into a concrete block wall at 20 mph with a new car. Likely the whole front end will disappear. I had this happen to me about 50 years ago. I was driving a 1941 Buick Roadmaster. I bent the front bumper and broke one of the four brackets that hold it. That is safety!!! Also, as mentiond in another thread, any car up until the late 70's could be tuned to get 30+ mpg without any loss of power.
Bdad, do you mean "grow up- your thoughts are no longer your own. Omommy is going to tell you how to live, how to think, what to drive, how to march: legs straight, knees locked, right arm up and hand flat, lock step"? Just trying to clarify.
I'm 52yrs old and own three vehicles, an 06 Mustang GT, a 93 Firebird Formula, and a 93 Corvette. I just sold my 75 Vette to buy the 93. When I was 19 and in the service I owned a 68 GTO 400/4spd. My 06 Mustang would smoke my 68 GTO and the 75 Vette in every respect as would my 93 Vette and Formula. All three of the newer year cars are more reliable as well. I haven't driven a new Challanger or a new Camaro, but assuming either is better than the Mustang, American built muscle is alive and well.
If the "fleet" of classics and muscle cars is dwindling, what are the fans squawking about? It means their museum pieces will retain or increase in value, as the bulk of pollution pukers (V8, carburetor fed, cam-crunchers) are crushed or dismantled for parts. As the numbers of these "high emissions vehicles" declines via attrition or rebuilding with modern guts ('retro-rods' is one term) then their net contribution to smog, ozone, and Carbon emissions will also shrink. Hey, I don't see the Feds rushing to shut down the Durango to Silverton Railway, which uses a restored set of steam locomotives (coal or wood fired) ~ so what is the problem? As a practical environmentalist, involved in green building, I think somebody needs to conduct a reasonable analysis of just how much marginal air pollution is produced by a small fleet of specialty vehicles that maybe travel 1,000 miles per year, and are largely for "show and shine" events that make their owners feel good, and spectators happy longing for the "good old days". Of course one could always switch to restoring classic motorcycles like I do, then emissions are very small. ~ BD
It is our American right to have a car that makes loud sound, uses bucket of gasoline per mile and weights 5000 lb. This right was granted to us by founding fathers in the constitution of United States of America, Number One Country in the world.
Thanks to the annual event in Reno, NV called Hot August Nights, the era of classic cars won't ever have to go away. In the first week of August every year, Reno and neighboring Sparks celebrates cars, music, everything classic. Cars as old as 1915 participate in the weeklong events. Hot August Nights draws visitors to the area from as far away as Alaska, Canada, Maryland, and Georgia. We even see a couple come here from Hawaii! Hot August Nights is a ton of fun, and my favorite time of the year. I highly look forward to it every single year. :-)
I think the idea of what constitutes a classic car will change as the next generation grows up. But that is the way it's always been; the Model T's don't hold nearly the fascination and excitement that the muscle cars of the 60's give me. I think, though, that there will always be people on the road that will admire a well kept classic car.
My 1968 GTO is still a traffic stopper and my daughter's friends fight to see who is going cruising with Dad on any given night.
TAW, this isn't a shot at your Mustang, and I'm sure it is faster that my 400 dual-gate GTO, but when it comes to turning heads, I think my baby may just win that contest. There's just something smiley about the languid lines on that car. BTW, I'm your age and admire your taste in cars.
I think I'll save the story about how I set the 86 Vette on fire for another time.
No argument there:-) The endura bumper, ram air scoops, and hideaways are hard to beat! Love to get my hands on a 1970 GTO.
rodger, I like your taste but the Judge didn't come out until 1969.
And I would like to add that there aren't too many more beautiful sounds to me than that metallic "thunk" when I shut my trunk.
Cast iron V-8, body-on-frame construction... can't beat it!
The germans are the only ones still making classics,check out the new Mercedes Benz SL65 AMG Black series, V-12 twin turbo and carbon fiber everywhere and if you can't get that BMW M3 V-8 420 hp probally one of the best handlling cars on the road
Oooooohhhhh! German. Ya! Who the hell can afford them? And my little Euro sucking friend......they do not even meet emmissions standards. Why are they even being allowed into the country? Because the Rich and the Shameless think they are a symbol of their wealth. WTF. This country was founded by our automobile manufacturers. Show some respect....or.....shut the hell up!!!
People only see what they want to. Starting with the author. His ignorance of old cars is obvious to anyone who looks at the photo at the beginning of the article. It's a '39, not a '51, as well as it being a convertible, not a coupe.
The passion people have for their cars is NOT going away. Just because the people he interviewed don't like new cars, does not mean the kids of today hate them as well. In the fifties, there were several articles written about how the new cars from that era would never be collectible due to lousy engineering and build quality. Sound familiar? Now fifties cars are all the rage, and people around the world love them. Todays kids will be restoring WRXs, Evos and Acuras, as well as Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers. It will be then as now, a matter of personal taste.
One person in the article doubted this saying that the kids today will use them up and throw them away. Which will be true to a certain degree. But then when I was in high school, kids did the same thing to muscle cars then as well. I know of guys who routinely thrashed GTOs, Mustangs, and Chargers into the ground, sent them to the junkyard, then would buy another one and do the same thing to it.
I had a '71 Road Runner. 440-6 Barrel. It was a fast car for its time. But the reality is that almost any mid-sized front wheel drive V-6 sedan built anywhere is capable of the same mid-low 14 second quarter mile E.T.s that the stock Road Runner was capable of. With the added benefits of good gas mileage, and emissions that won't kill you. While most muscle cars could hit 130 mph easily, would you really want to with the crude suspensions and drum brakes? As much as I don't want to own a new Corvette, you have to admit, they make a compelling case for modern muscle. The base model has over 400 hp, can top out at close to 190, yet is still civilized enough that your grandmother could drive it to the Bingo Hall. Popular Mechanics took a base 'Vette on a trip, and with the cruise control set at 55 mph, got 32.8 mpg. Think about that, better mpg than a lot of economy cars, in a seriously fast high powered sports car. The new Mustangs get over 25 mpg on the highway with the V8, same with the new Camaro and Challenger. (the Road Runner could barely hit 10 mpg) They are superior in every way to the old stuff, and better built to boot. It used to be that rolling 100K on the odometer was an accomplishment. Now, even the cheapest Korean built subcompact will go to 150K with minimal maintenance, and most cars will cover 200K without it being a big deal.
That all being said, I still prefer to drive my old cars. I don't care about the mileage. When I'm tooling down the road in my '63 Caddy, looking out over the mile-long hood, and enjoying the throb of the big V-8, it is an experience that cannot be replicated by a new car. I drive the Caddy several time a week, as well as my '86 AMC Eagle wagon. I have a '57 DeSoto as well that will be a daily driver when it is finished. Perhaps 40 years from now, when the new cars are old, they will be able to give someone the same pleasure that my old cars give me today.
Remember, it's not the age of the car you drive that is important, but the passion you have for it.
Have a great day kids!!
Cash for clunkers is nothing more than a test of just how much we care about, or don't care about our cars. It is supposed to tell us something- that everyone wants to drive a prius. But it is bad science at it's worst. The tiny amount of money assures that this program will only entice those who would have traded in right now any way, giving the false impression that Americans no longer feel special about their cars. But in fact nothing could be further from the truth. Out cars are friends, family members, and a source of pride and identity. This attempt by the rogues in congress to put us all into identical cars is a step on the road to totalitarianism. The existence of this article is more proof of just how far left wing MSNBC has become. The freedom of the press that they should at least claim to hold dear is of no concern to them. Shame.
"I can't drive no Cadillac, I need Ford, Chevrolet or Pontiac, women know who you are when you're drivin' that muscle car"
Amen!
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